[Signing] Oilers sign Klefbom to 7 year extension ($4.167 mil AAV) - Page 10 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

Show me, why at that time, they did not deserve those contracts, AT THAT TIME.

See my post above for a comparison

One more point though... the fact that it was GIVEN to all 3 of them helped establish the 'given, not earned' attitude that still permeates their room.

schteve_d · 09-20-2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

I would throw him away in a heartbeat. He is a Gudreau clone but bigger.

If you want to troll, troll, but ridiculous statements like this just get you on ignore lists.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

But team success doesn't matter right? Hahaha

Yup one guy who is compared to a guy who got into his league like McDavid

And Hall still is on par.

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

That is a good reach about Tavares and Hall.
There's only three Oilers I'd take. Eberle, the Nuge and Mcnugget. The rest of them would be in the press box, one floaty lazy play by Hall and he'd be canned unlikely to earn his way back on the ice. Goals are nice and all, but not at the expense of screwing over the team and finishing last.

The fact that you would take Eberle is laughable.

I would throw him away in a heartbeat. He is a Gudreau clone but bigger.

How is it a reach?

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by schteve_d

If you want to troll, troll, but ridiculous statements like this just get you on ignore lists.

Tell me what is trollish about that. Stats wise

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:04 PM

If Johnny can put up that many next year sure. Because sure ain't a Bergeron.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How is it a reach?

How is it?

A top 10 finish in 2 years is not good?

GettinIggyWithIt · 09-20-2015, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

If Johnny can put up that many next year sure. Because sure ain't a Bergeron.

This is exactly the point - by the Oilers logic - Johnny would already have a contract based on IF. How can you not see the hypocrisy of your statement and then defend the Oilers actions when they turn around and reward players like Klefbom after one decent year.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:10 PM

What pedigree does Johnny have?
I think he is a good player too

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

How is it?

A top 10 finish in 2 years is not good?

Apparently logic is hard for you, so I will explain...

You wanted someone to try and argue that Hall, Ebsy and Nuge's contracts aren't great.

Since you think Hall is awesome, I used him and compared him to Tavares.

Tavares has better numbers, has been healthier, and has led his team to the playoffs.

Yet Tavares signed for less money.

Therefore (let me know if I am going too fast) Tavares' contract is better than Hall's.

You don't like Eberle. If Hall's contract isn't as good as Tavares', then obviously Eberle's isn't either.

bzoo02 · 09-20-2015, 01:11 PM

I think something that separates Oilers fans and Flames fans is that we (flames fans) for the most part aren't overly concerned about individual points.
What we concern ourselves with is the impact that individual has within the team. After all hockey is a team game.

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

What pedigree does Johnny have?
I think he is a good player too

another Oiler-fan classic!

who cares about actual results - it's all about where they were drafted.

Gaudreau a 4th rounder? Pffft!

ricardodw · 09-20-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

Tell me what a guy who finishes top 10 in NHL SCORING TWICE in 3 seasons would sign for after that.

I'm very curious to hear your response. I hope you come up with a good one that I don't shred to pieces.

What does a guy who hit a point per game in his sophomore season get? A season where your numbers should drop? And after that his worst is a 0.81 PPG.

How about a guy who hit 0.83PPG in his rookie year and the last half of last year was a top 3 scorer in the NHL

How about a guy who finished with 80 points in 75 games before last year?

Probably all a one off right.

Please tell me how that would get you less than 6.

That is a lot like comparing what the Flames secondary prospects did the last 20 games of 2013-14.... Hankowski, Van Brabrant, Wotherspoon, Aguisitino, Baertschi, Breen, and Reinhart all looked great when the Flames were out of the playoffs and basically playing exhibition games...... that did not mean that they were NHLers or ever would be.

The 6M guys with the Oilers have played a total of 20 games a year where the games counted. After the first 20 games the Oilers have had virtually no chance to make the playoffs and were in tanking and pad the personal stats mode.

At even strength where a 6 m player should dominate: Hall career -23, Eberle career -39 and RHN -23... How do you pay someone who is not as good as the players they consistently line up opposite anymore than 2.5-3M until they get better?

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall any RFA offers rumored for these guys that were some other team was willing to give up a bunch of draft picks? Right now they could be in their 2.5M bridge contracts and actually be tradeable.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

That is a lot like comparing what the Flames secondary prospects did the last 20 games of 2013-14.... Hankowski, Van Brabrant, Wotherspoon, Aguisitino, Baertschi, Breen, and Reinhart all looked great when the Flames were out of the playoffs and basically playing exhibition games...... that did not mean that they were NHLers or ever would be.

The 6M guys with the Oilers have played a total of 20 games a year where the games counted. After the first 20 games the Oilers have had virtually no chance to make the playoffs and were in tanking and pad the personal stats mode.

At even strength where a 6 m player should dominate: Hall career -23, Eberle career -39 and RHN -23... How do you pay someone who is not as good as the players they consistently line up opposite anymore than 2.5-3M until they get better?

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't recall any RFA offers rumored for these guys that were some other team was willing to give up a bunch of draft picks? Right now they could be in their 2.5M bridge contracts and actually be tradeable.

Tell me what the Oilers guys did compared to others at that time.

Put some effort into into it

Still Waiting for this one

Hackey · 09-20-2015, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yup. Fortunately, the GM had already had a full practice with him.

True. I forgot that GM's only watch their own team and never keep an eye on the rest of the league. Also forgot that GM's never consult with scouts or other members of the organization or colleagues. I forgot video has yet to be invented as well.

dieHARDflameZ · 09-20-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

That is a good reach about Tavares and Hall.
There's only three Oilers I'd take. Eberle, the Nuge and Mcnugget. The rest of them would be in the press box, one floaty lazy play by Hall and he'd be canned unlikely to earn his way back on the ice. Goals are nice and all, but not at the expense of screwing over the team and finishing last.

The fact that you would take Eberle is laughable.

I would throw him away in a heartbeat. He is a Gudreau clone but bigger.

Gaudreau is far more defensively responsible as well and despite what you may think, defense matters.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:38 PM

I'm still waiting for some proper evidence.

YoungGuns · 09-20-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Gaudreau is far more defensively responsible as well and despite what you may think, defense matters.

How is he?

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hackey

True. I forgot that GM's only watch their own team and never keep an eye on the rest of the league. Also forgot that GM's never consult with scouts or other members of the organization or colleagues. I forgot video has yet to be invented as well.

Fully expected this response from you.

Obviously, every GM is familiar with the players on other teams. However, there is a difference between familiar with other teams' players, and being ready to sign a kid (who has played the Bruins at most 4 or 5 times) to a 7 year contract.

And yes, GMs consult with their scouts. Unfortunately, Chiarelli fired a bunch of his.

But the primary point is that the organization would have been behind this. That is the really scathing thing about this contract - it screams of the old-regime, we LOVE our own prospects crap that we have seen up there for years.

Enoch Root · 09-20-2015, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by YoungGuns

I'm still waiting for some proper evidence.

Grow up.

YOU brought up Gaudreau with a back-handed insult and comparison to Eberle.

Gaudreau out-performed every member of the Oilers last year in the only metric that matters for Oiler fans - points.

He was also surprisingly sound defensively.

He also helped lead his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs.

The only person on this board that needs to come up with some evidence is you.