09-16-2015, 11:39 AM
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#181
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Originally Posted by nik-
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Very disturbing...
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09-16-2015, 11:41 AM
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#182
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Originally Posted by Zach
But if it was an accident why am I reading it was 1st degree? Very strange all around.
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I believe murder in the first degree is a charge that can be laid if the murder happened over the course of carrying out certain crimes. Kidnapping being one of them (sexual assault, hostage taking, forcible confinement are some of the others).
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09-16-2015, 11:43 AM
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#183
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Location: Calgary
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i guess this was not well planned? How did he think he would get away with it..a dead body and a missing girl. He didn't even leave the county!
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09-16-2015, 11:45 AM
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#184
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by GirlySports
i guess this was not well planned? How did he think he would get away with it..a dead body and a missing girl. He didn't even leave the county!
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He is probably just a dumb thug that thought he was invincible.
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09-16-2015, 11:49 AM
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#185
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
He is probably just a dumb thug that thought he was invincible.
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The Calgary sun tweeted a picture of him. I'm not going to post it. He does look like a real winner.
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09-16-2015, 11:49 AM
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The mother submitted to a media interview and was peppered with questions. I'd say she's telling the truth, she seems genuine.
She said she hadn't had contact with the suspect for a very long time. Says she has no idea why he would do anything to Hailey or Terry.
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09-16-2015, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Delgar
The mother submitted to a media interview and was peppered with questions. I'd say she's telling the truth, she seems genuine.
She said she hadn't had contact with the suspect for a very long time. Says she has no idea why he would do anything to Hailey or Terry.
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I'm sure those claims will be investigated.
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09-16-2015, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by nik-
ugh, wtf? So this guy just shows up after three years to kill her ex-husband and daughter? That seems so odd.
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If they were involved around 3 years ago, and the child was two he might have suspected that she was his? This is all speculation.
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09-16-2015, 11:57 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Given such a horrific loss, I hope she is truthful. The skeptic in me is having a hard time, though. If she hadn't seen him in 3 years as one report had it, that was before Hailey was even born. That makes no sense.
Edit: good point Bergyboy.
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09-16-2015, 11:59 AM
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#190
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Poor lady, loses her kid horrifically, and now half the population thinks she was in on it. I honestly cannot fathom a reason why she would be involved in this way, but that doesn't stop the rampant speculation machine.
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09-16-2015, 12:02 PM
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#191
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Originally Posted by V
Poor lady, loses her kid horrifically, and now half the population thinks she was in on it. I honestly cannot fathom a reason why she would be involved in this way, but that doesn't stop the rampant speculation machine.
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Seriously? You legitimately can't fathom a reason?
It's not like people are just inventing reason for speculation. Parents are involved in this type of thing quite often. It's the reason the police investigate them.
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09-16-2015, 12:03 PM
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#192
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Sure, this mother probably sent a killer into her ex's house while her daughter was in there, instead of waiting for her daughter to be at her house. Seems plausible.
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09-16-2015, 12:04 PM
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#193
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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And if they have talked since then, I am sure there will be emails, social media interaction, phone and or text message logs. It's is almost impossible to hide anything these days, unless everything is done face to face. That almost never happens though.
This happened in a small town where everyone probably knows everyone or is connected to some degree. Just because the mother knew the murderer, it could mean nothing.
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09-16-2015, 12:05 PM
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#194
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Originally Posted by V
Sure, this mother probably sent a killer into her ex's house while her daughter was in there, instead of waiting for her daughter to be at her house. Seems plausible.
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I didn't say she did it, I'm just saying that if you can't fathom a reason that people might suspect the parents, you've probably been living under a rock or are being hyperbolic.
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09-16-2015, 12:11 PM
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#195
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It's a small town. Everyone knows the murderer.
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09-16-2015, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by V
Sure, this mother probably sent a killer into her ex's house while her daughter was in there, instead of waiting for her daughter to be at her house. Seems plausible.
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The implication would be that the mother knew of or encouraged the abduction, not the killing. That, unfortunately, isn't unfathomable.
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09-16-2015, 12:22 PM
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#197
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Please don't post rumors of what may have happened. Stick to reputable sources
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09-16-2015, 12:22 PM
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#198
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by V
Sure, this mother probably sent a killer into her ex's house while her daughter was in there, instead of waiting for her daughter to be at her house. Seems plausible.
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Or to kill both of them?
It happens, it's not some crazy out-of-nowhere idea. It's not fair to apply any assumption about what may have happened, but people are going to speculate. She certainly wouldn't be the first person to kill, or have a hand in killing, their own child.
My own pure speculation is that it sounds like the guy went to the house to get the kid, maybe because the Dad wouldn't deliver her to the mom for whatever reason. When the guy was attacked by the dad, he ended up stabbing him. And when taking the child he smothered her or something when she was struggling. That's what it sounds like to me. I could buy that he didn't go there with the intention of killing anyone, and ended up killing both of them, panicked and burned her body. Her possibly sending the guy there to get her daughter doesn't imply that she sent him there to kill either of them.
It's appalling any way you slice it really.
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09-16-2015, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by V
Sure, this mother probably sent a killer into her ex's house while her daughter was in there, instead of waiting for her daughter to be at her house. Seems plausible.
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Most Child killings carried out or planned by the parent doenst ever seem plausible...but it happens.
Humans after all are still animals.
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09-16-2015, 12:29 PM
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#200
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Abduction by a non-custodial parents accounts for 99 per cent of child abductions. Of course the mother has to be a suspect, though I doubt for murder.
Angry mom tells boyfriend she can't go to Edmonton without her kid.
Idiot boyfriend volunteers to go to ex-husband's house to get kid. Gets in tussle with father and kills him.
Idiot boyfriend, now in a wild panic from killing father, tries to carry girl away and she freaks out and fights back. Panicked idiot kills girl.
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