What will Giordano's next contract be?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Have you...
have you ever watched Jake Gardiner play?
Have you ever watched Mark Giordano play?

Gio is 31, not 38.

Any would anyone want Jake Gardiner? I get he's young, but so are millions of people. No thanks

[bysutter]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Have you...
have you ever watched Jake Gardiner play?
Have you ever watched Mark Giordano play?

Gio is 31, not 38.

No I have never watched either of them play.

[RougeUnderoos]

Do you think if the Flames traded Giordano to the Leafs for Gardiner, we could finally stop bitching about that Leeman for Gilmour trade?

It is the only thing they've won since the 60's, and I'm bloody sick of hearing about it!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by bysutter

Scroll up, his injury list is long and consistent.

No it's not. There's the two major ones (broken foot, torn bicep) and a few minor day to day things.

He's far from being made of glass.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by codynw

No it's not. There's the two major ones (broken foot, torn bicep) and a few minor day to day things.

He's far from being made of glass.

He missed 24 games with a shoulder in 2009 as well 3 years in his career where he missed significant time including back to back years.


At the end of the day it doesn't matter to me because he is such an important part of the organization. I just hooe he does a 6x6 or at worst 8x4

[heep223]

Originally Posted by bysutter

Well, I'm glad you are not handling our drafts and trades cuz you would have passed on Brodie, Johnny, Bouma, Russell etc. etc and would have traded Backlund by now.

It's all about players that fit into a system...stop looking in the rear view mirror and basing a players true talent because they happen to be on a s**t team with no sense of direction, you know, the way the Flames used to be.

At the risk of piling on here but you know Gio was odds on favourite to win the Norris when he got hurt right? And that he was comfortably leading the league for points by a d-man?

Try a 1st, a 2nd, a blue chip d-man prospect and a b-level prospect. You're way off.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bysutter

Yes it does, they are going to dump Dion and Kessel for whatever asap, Gio is a TO boy and might be a Norris candidate so the leafs fans will go nuts. We might have to eat a bad contract in the trade somewhere but I bet we could come out of the whole thing with Gardiner, a solid pick in 2016 and some more offence. Maybe throw a goalie into the mix....Reimer?

You already suggested eating the bad contract by taking Gardiner and a 2nd or maybe a 3rd. You fail to mention the actual good asset we get back for our captain and best player.

[Samuelsson]

Was having this conversation on Twitter yesterday - someone argued that all hte other elite defensemen were getting paid AND term, at which point I argued that the elite defensemen signed within the last few years or so (Weber, Suter, Subban) were all considerably younger than Gio.

Gio has 1 season of elite-level play, and he'll be 32 in October (33 by the time the new contract kicks in). No chance he gets $7m per for a considerable amount of time; it should be front-loaded, petering off in the tail-end years.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

No chance he gets $7m per for a considerable amount of time; it should be front-loaded, petering off in the tail-end years.

I think that there is a pretty good chance that Gio gets that. If he goes to July 1 2016, the bidding war will come down to term.Look at what lesser older Dman got Orpik, Niskanen, Campbell. And somebody will likely offer 9 years. It is gonna happen. I think that the Flames should stay away if that is what it takes to keep Giordano. I want Gio to stay a Flame, but the deal has to make sense.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

Was having this conversation on Twitter yesterday - someone argued that all hte other elite defensemen were getting paid AND term, at which point I argued that the elite defensemen signed within the last few years or so (Weber, Suter, Subban) were all considerably younger than Gio.

Gio has 1 season of elite-level play, and he'll be 32 in October (33 by the time the new contract kicks in). No chance he gets $7m per for a considerable amount of time; it should be front-loaded, petering off in the tail-end years.

His numbers the last 2 seasons are almost identical.

61 GP 48 PTS
64 GP 47 PTS

Top 10 both seasons in ice time per game league wide as well.

He is definitely in the elite dman category.

[Tinordi]

I would say it's very unlikely he gets any less than 7 million regardless of term.

He is not going to cut the Flames a break. He already did that on his last contract. This is his money contract, he's going to want to claw back the bargain he gave to the club in the previous contract and he's shown he's a top ten defenceman in the league. Those players get paid.

I don't have a problem paying him what he's worth at all. My only issue is term. The Flames' window is in the next 3-6 years. If we're going to be paying Giodarno $8 million a season then he needs to be able to perform at that level in 5 years time. I believe he can but his prime will likely be over at that point. That's why I wouldn't give him any longer than a 5 year deal.

If I were managing things I'd say to him: "we have lots of uncertainty on the cap and our salary structure by the time we think this will be a contending team. We want you to be a part of that but we also need flexibility. To that end we recognize what you've given to this team and we are ready to compensate you richly now while cap issues aren't a major concern for us. When we're ready to contend we'll re-evaluate your compensation in 4-5 years with an eye to keeping this team together and building a true contender. We'll still make every effort to sign you but also to pay you at the level of what you're role will be by that time."

[Yoho]

He's going to get term and he's going to get paid $7-8 mil. We all know what the last 2-3 years may look like of that contract but it's going to happen. I hope this doesn't get ugly.

[OzSome]

Giordano being a team guy will probably sign a decent contract that will not handcuff the team for a long time. I say between $5.5M to probably $6.5M just enough to be the highest paid Flames player.

[EldrickOnIce]

Probably been said here already, but if one recalls that Orpik at age 33 got 5.25 x 5 years - and then says Giordano won't get 7+; they need to reconsider that position.

I'd rather see 4 than but, but I think it will be 8 x 5 - and it's well deserved (in this economic environment).

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Giordano being a team guy will probably sign a decent contract that will not handcuff the team for a long time. I say between $5.5M to probably $6.5M just enough to be the highest paid Flames player.

Gio may be a team guy but neither he nor his agent are that naïve.

Ritch Winter is a dog on a bone in most negotiations and with Giordanos importance to the club both on and off the ice....6.5 is a pipe dream unless its a 7 or 8 year deal.

8 Mil X 5 at a minimum is my guess and likely a bit more $$ than that because of the term.

[Huntingwhale]

I honestly think we will all be pleasantly surprised at how reasonable Gio's next contract will be, in both cap hit and term. Flames have never been a team to back the truck up and toss one of those massive contracts at a player. Even Iginla's were reasonable in cap hit and term and made sense for how he was playing at the time. Kipper's contract was the longest in Flames history and it was only 6 years. There is no reason to think that Gio's will suddenly become the biggest and longest in Flames history. He likes playing here, he knows were a team on the upswing and he's the captain. I think being here is more important to him then him cashing in big time like he could via UFA.

And after seeing the contract Treliving got Brodie signed to, I have zero reason to doubt that Gio's won't be any less team-friendly.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I just want it to be fair to Gio and front loaded Very front loaded.. That way we have a happy captain and more cap room in the future when the kids earn bigger contracts.

9m
9m
8m
7m
6m

AAV of 7.8

IF Gio keeps getting better with time like a fine wine or wins a norris etc, deserves more or less than 7m in following seasons you can always restructure or renegotiate, especially since he wants to be a Flame for life. Bottom line we have to keep him but we shouldnt expect his play to stay where it is after 2 more seasons. I hope it does and I can see him being 36 and an all-star but I dont want us to predict and expect that thus having a potential for an albatross contract to an older player that isnt performing right when our young guns need improved contracts. I'm sure treliving sees that as one alternative future/reality.

[dying4acup]

For those who think that Gio took a home town discount when he signed, you are wrong.

He accepted a long term contract, fair for both he and the team, a year before he was UFA, that was market value for a top 4 d-man in the league.

At that point in time, that was EXACTLY what Gio was.

He outplayed it. Fantastic for both parties. Now, I expect that Gio will get fair market value again. 8mx5y=40m. Maybe give or take a year, maybe give or take 0.5m AAV.

If it's far off that I will be shocked.

[Sylvanfan]

It's too bad you can't add money to his current contract. I would rather pay him 14 million this coming season to get the next 5 years for 30 million.

I just can't move off 5 years and 7 million AAV for his 33 to 37 year old years. I just can't see him playing at the same level after next year as he has the past two seasons. You have to be careful with players this age. Look at 33 year old Iginla vs 35 year old Iginla and than against the 31 year old. I can't help but think try as he might Giordano won't elude father time. He's a heart and soul type guy and won't be the same if he can't sacrifice his body like he currently does. So at that point how much is the leadership worth? I still think it's valuable, but 7.5 for a guy who could be your #4? :

[Vulcan]

$8M per year would make Giordano the second highest paid defenceman in the league ahead of such players as Weber, Suter, Doughty, Karlsson and Chara. For me there are two things that will limit his salary. His age and his lack of history as a top defenceman. You could also throw in his injury time during the last couple of years where he's shined. I see something between $5 and $7M for maybe 5 years seems reasonable otherwise we could end up with a situation resembling Brian Campbell's.

http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/defenseman/