[Trade] Glencross to Washington for a 2015 2nd and 2015 3rd round pick (WSH) (Archive)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The_Future

I don't know "for sure" anything but neither does anyone else who knows "for sure" we will get a 1st rounder who will pan out, "for sure" any player/prospect/pick that will pan out, "for sure" Sven will score 40 points, "for sure" anything.

Everyone else around here is "for sure" everything.

All I know is "for sure" this team is playing some of the best hockey I have seen this team play in all my years. All I know "for sure" to a man, they have done this as a team. And "for sure" unless we are going to fetch a solid return, that I would prefer see the team not move anyone.

And for sure he's a UFA.

[daveinspruce]

Well your logic sir has changed my mind...thank you for setting me straight.
I want something good..... Dammit we aren't going to get anything good are we?

[ForeverFlameFan]

I want to move Glencross if there are no extension talks even happening. Like I've stated previously, Cammy was willing to re-sign here in the offseason since there was no deal to be made at the 2014 TDL. This year's deadline isn't so stacked with a lot of top end rentals, which means that Glencross's value should higher than what it usually is. Plus, Nashville's recent trade could possibly even trigger some playoff bound teams to make a move to give their team more depth too.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by The_Future

Interesting…..

Glencross 48GP 26PTS

Granlund 33GP 13PTS (A PACE OF 18.9PTS per 48GP)
Baertschi 15GP 4PTS (A PACE OF 12.8PTS per 48GP)
Poirier 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Bennett 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Wolf 2GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)
Arnold 0GP 0PTS (A PACE OF OPTS per 48GP)

So if my math is correct All 6 of these players can't even make up for Glencross' production combined.

I guess this is why we aren't the best team in the league, here for a second I thought I should start a Fire Burke, Treliving thread.

Baertschi played on average 9 minutes a night with 4th liners
Granlund is on pace for 32 points over 82 games, only slightly less than Glencross.

The rest have no frame of reference at the NHL level.

Glencross averaged 18 minutes for the first 28 games, and 14 or so for the last 20 playing with better players for than Sven did in any of his stints. If you gave Baertschi 28 games with Monahan, he would likely starting putting in points.

Just because a player is young and inexperienced, it doesn't mean that they are bad players.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Actually, read my post. I said Iginla assisted on a lot of Glencross' goals. I didn't say his success was due to Iginla's passing. Glencross' success was due to Curtis Glencross.

There are many way to get assists. Passes are one. Rebounds are another. Deflections are yet another. And the better the player on whose stick the puck is, the higher the chance the TEAM scores because of the way those great players shift defenses.

When I think of Iginla I think "great multidimensional offensive player" not "sniper" or "passer". Here's his numbers in some of Glencross' better years:

Wow you really just wont admit you're wrong will you?

This whole topic started because you implied that Glencross' success was due to being linemates with Iginla.

You seem to think that Glencross is worth keeping, yet you say he's only scored goals due to good linemates.

And just because they both had 4 successful seasons at the same time doesn't mean they played together.. Do you remember the OMG line? Probably not, but it was the most successful line of Glencross' career and Iginla wasn't on it. Iginla played with Cammy and Tanguay for much of that time.

Please pick a side and stick to it if you're going to debate. Or become the first victim of my Ignore button.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Baertschi played on average 9 minutes a night with 4th liners
Granlund is on pace for 32 points over 82 games, only slightly less than Glencross.

The rest have no frame of reference at the NHL level.

Glencross averaged 18 minutes for the first 28 games, and 14 or so for the last 20 playing with better players for than Sven did in any of his stints. If you gave Baertschi 28 games with Monahan, he would likely starting putting in points.

Just because a player is young and inexperienced, it doesn't mean that they are bad players.

I feel I'm on the same page here, there's no doubting Curtis has put up 45 points but who's to say one of the rookies listed above couldn't do the same if put in the same scenario with the same minutes and same looks. NOBODY can make that call because it's never been tested, outside of Granlund I don't think anyone's been awarded those types of quality minutes with like minded line mates.

What we do know is Sven came up 2 years ago and put on a show in a limited role playing with quality teammates and no 4th line grinders (That's not to say it's guaranteed to happen this time) but WHO KNOWS.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

And to anyone opposed to moving a declining veteran to make room for a young prospect, are you serious?

At the start of the year many of you wanted more spots for rookies. This is still a rebuild and these are the kinds of moves you make in a rebuild. The rebuild isn't over and the quicker prospects successfully fill out spots on the team, the quicker this rebuild will be over.

If the Flames have success and make the post-season this year, it should be due to the play of the young guys and not due to Glencross fighting for a big contract.

[Rerun]

Move him. The truth is we don't need him. We have players down in Addy that can take his spot and not miss a beat.

Something is better than nothing. If he walks away from the Flames in July, we get nothing.

[heep223]

I like Glencross because he sticks up for people and doesn't take any crap. Though it does lead to the occasional bad penalty I think in the long term it's useful.

Though I agree he hasn't been all that great on the ice, I don't think a 3rd rounder or less would properly compensate for what we're losing. The dressing room culture is in large part the reason the Flames are overachieving this year (IMO) and tinkering with that, especially at this time of the year, could really upset the apple cart.

For the people saying that an "A" on his jersey only means that he's a liaison between the coach and the refs, you are out to lunch. The "A" means a lot more than that.

If you're offered a first for him you take it and start the car.

2nd, think long and hard.

3rd or lower, they'd have to sweeten the deal.

Otherwise keep him for he playoff push and happy to do so.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Wow you really just wont admit you're wrong will you?

This whole topic started because you implied that Glencross' success was due to being linemates with Iginla.

No, i said Iginla assisted on a crap ton of Glencross' GOALs throughout his career. Which is not the only determinant of "success".

You seem to think that Glencross is worth keeping, yet you say he's only scored goals due to good linemates.

Which are not mutually exclusive. Certainly not for a roleplayer.

Please pick a side and stick to it if you're going to debate.

" Curtis Glencross is a 20+ goal role player who benefits from the right lines, of which the Mason Raymond line is not one, yet at least. Deciding he is "disinterested" despite a solid season when on a better line is absurd. Judging his play as a 30+ year old playing for Bob Hartley againt his play as a 20-something playing for Sutter and automatically assuming he no longer has "the fire" is absurd "

Or become the first victim of my Ignore button.

Do be my guest.

[Critter4223]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Baertschi played on average 9 minutes a night with 4th liners
Granlund is on pace for 32 points over 82 games, only slightly less than Glencross.

The rest have no frame of reference at the NHL level.

Glencross averaged 18 minutes for the first 28 games, and 14 or so for the last 20 playing with better players for than Sven did in any of his stints. If you gave Baertschi 28 games with Monahan, he would likely starting putting in points.

Just because a player is young and inexperienced, it doesn't mean that they are bad players.

Exactly. I'm sure Monahan could bounce 3 or 4 goals off my lid if I played on his line.
Players who play with the Crosby's, Stamkos', and Ovi's of the game get their stats inflated just because of who they are playing with.
Another major factor is ice time. A decent player on a brutal team who nets 20+ mins should end up with more points than if he were with a good team playing 14 mins. Example Jason Blake

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No, i said Iginla assisted on a crap ton of Glencross' GOALs throughout his career. Which is not the only determinant of "success".



Which are not mutually exclusive. Certainly not for a roleplayer.



" Curtis Glencross is a 20+ goal role player who benefits from the right lines, of which the Mason Raymond line is not one, yet at least. Deciding he is "disinterested" despite a solid season when on a better line is absurd. Judging his play as a 30+ year old playing for Bob Hartley againt his play as a 20-something playing for Sutter and automatically assuming he no longer has "the fire" is absurd "



Do be my guest.

Why do you keep saying this, when I keep telling you it's not true. Or why don't you explain how Glencross had his 2nd best PPG last year without Iginla even on the team?

You're really splitting hairs here with this terminology you're using. That's the sign of someone trying to take back what they said without manning up and doing it.

Or just keep spewing BS without even trying to find evidence to back it up! I'm done trying to inform you about this hockey team you watch.

[Flame19,289]

Washington is rumored to be looking for a top-6 winger.

I haven't seen anything directly linking them with an interest in Glencross, but I would think that they might also be making exploratory phone calls to Treliving.

[Harry Lime]

If Pittsburgh is interested in Glencross, I'm getting that good Dumoulin feeling. Right handed, right sided D who is out of waiver options next year.

Boston is also sitting on a potential Joe Morrow playing time issue next year, as he is too good to keep in the AHL indefinitely without hurting his growth. Boston has cap issues which makes a trade with them more complicated however.

We are not trading with Winnipeg.

All of the right teams are circling.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Dumoulin is left handed.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Dumoulin is left handed.

You're right, he's left. For some reason I thought that one of Pittsburgh's prospects played on the right naturally, but they are all left handed shooters. I still see Dunoulin as the most physical, if you don't count Despres as a prospect, and fast enough to be a good fit on the bottom three. Everything that I'd hoped that Smid and Engelland would be, only quicker.

The nice part about trading Glencross for a defenseman who is ready for a role in the 5-7 pairing is that it opens up a Smid trade in a market that would net a nice return, if Smid can get healthy.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

You're right, he's left. For some reason I thought that one of Pittsburgh's prospects played on the right naturally, but they are all left handed shooters. I still see Dunoulin as the most physical, if you don't count Despres as a prospect, and fast enough to be a good fit on the bottom three. Everything that I'd hoped that Smid and Engelland would be, only quicker.

The nice part about trading Glencross for a defenseman who is ready for a role in the 5-7 pairing is that it opens up a Smid trade in a market that would net a nice return, if Smid can get healthy.

If we get another 5-7 d-man, where is there room for Spooner?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If we get another 5-7 d-man, where is there room for Spooner?

We could trade one or even two of Engelland, Diaz or Smid. Or even scratch or demote them.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If we get another 5-7 d-man, where is there room for Spooner?

Ideally, we have 2 Wotherspoons, and let them fight it out. Dumoulin is good now, and is projected to get even better, so if he keeps Wotherspoon in the AHL, then that's awesome for everyone. And by everyone, I mean everyone except Wotherspoon.

I badly want a faster, meaner Smid on the team, and someone to learn to play the right side to push Engelland into the 7th role. If we are going to have a skilled offensive group and a 1-2 that is constantly activated, I want the 3-6 to be a uber-defensive wall of hate.

[FBI]

This thread reminds me of the Cammalleri, "Oh noes how will we ever replace his production????!!" Hmm replaced easily and now have better offense.

Now it's "Oh noes how will we ever replace Glencross??!!"
Hint: Bennett is coming next year and might even do some wing time.