looking for a half-decent clip-on tie

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You probably think you'll be ok Sliver, but if you lack the recognition that what you want or like at someone else's wedding is irrelevant you won't be ok.
You lack basic functional empathy.

How do you figure? I started out this thread looking for a nice clip-on tie to go with a short-sleeved shirt. Based on the replies, I've learned that isn't acceptable dress so I'm changing what I'm wearing. How on God's green earth could you have missed that? It's the central story of this entire thread.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

For someone who posted this just over a month ago, you're sure getting awfully indignant here.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...0&postcount=31

That's not trolling. I know my opinion on dogs (as an obvious example) is counter to the majority. I like discussing it as a result. It certainly doesn't mean I'm trolling and it's not like I'm amplifying my opinion for a reaction. I mean every single thing I say about dogs, and in fact, hold back some things, too.

I like when others do the same, but like you guys (I suspect), I hate when people are not telling the truth. If you have an extreme opinion, I absolutely want you posting all about it. If you have a made-up extreme opinion, then you are total tit and should be ignored.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

How do you figure? I started out this thread looking for a nice clip-on tie to go with a short-sleeved shirt. Based on the replies, I've learned that isn't acceptable dress so I'm changing what I'm wearing. How on God's green earth could you have missed that? It's the central story of this entire thread.

You go to a formal function wearing what everyone else wears, regardless of whether you like it or not. There is nothing else to it than that, if you are not sure what everyone else will be wearing you ask whoevers in charge not an effing website.

Incidently I believe most of the under 35's in the western world lack basic functional empathy so don't take it personally.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You go to a formal function wearing what everyone else wears, regardless of whether you like it or not. There is nothing else to it than that, if you are not sure what everyone else will be wearing you ask whoevers in charge not an effing website.

Incidently I believe most of the under 35's in the western world lack basic functional empathy so don't take it personally.

I think you've confused empathy with conformity.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I think you've confused empathy with conformity.

You are confusing conformity with common courtesy

[nik-]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You are confusing conformity with common courtesy

Yeah, dressing appropriately for a wedding is common courtesy.

And lol at conformity like it's some travesty. You fight the power at those weddings man!

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Knalus

I think you've confused empathy with conformity.

I think you mistake caring about someone else's feelings on what is the most important day of their life with conformity

You eff this up and you have effed it up for them forever.

[Misterpants]

Holy cow, it's not like he's showing up in jean cutoffs and a "Who Farted?" t-shirt. A bit geeky, yes, but it's not an affront to the institution of marriage.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think you mistake caring about someone else's feelings on what is the most important day of their life with conformity

Then I think the word you're looking for is inconsiderate, but you're still wrong.

Inconsiderate would be wearing something to the wedding knowing it wasn't appropriate attire.

A considerate person - after they learn what is appropriate - would then modify what they were originally going to wear to something better suited to the wedding.

I have demonstrated that I am a considerate person. You, not so much.

[Chill Cosby]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think you mistake caring about someone else's feelings on what is the most important day of their life with conformity

While I get where your advice is coming from, your suggestions show you either lack style or the ability to recognise fashion and apply it. Best then not to make suggestions, I imagine.

A suit and tie simply isn't the be-all and end-all. But dressing respectfully and dressing well certainly is a part of it, and it seems pretty clear Silver is interested in doing that.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You are confusing conformity with common courtesy

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, dressing appropriately for a wedding is common courtesy.

And lol at conformity like it's some travesty. You fight the power at those weddings man!

Common courtesy, sure. But I don't think the word "empathy" is the right one. To say someone lacks empathy suggests there is something fundamentally wrong with their mental state as a human. To suggest it is short on common courtesy would be more appropriate.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Then I think the word you're looking for is inconsiderate, but you're still wrong.

Inconsiderate would be wearing something to the wedding knowing it wasn't appropriate attire.

A considerate person - after they learn what is appropriate - would then modify what they were originally going to wear to something better suited to the wedding.

I have demonstrated that I am a considerate person. You, not so much.

No, when you call up the bride or groom and ask them what should you wear you prove your self to be considerate, when you spend your days here asking random strangers what you should wear you at best prove yourself to be socially maladapt

Again this seems to be par for the course these days, not sure why anyone would think Facebook or here would be appropriate for advise on these issues

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

No, when you call up the bride or groom and ask them what should you wear you prove your self to be considerate, when you spend your days here asking random strangers what you should wear you at best prove yourself to be socially maladapt

Again this seems to be par for the course these days, not sure why anyone would think Facebook or here would be appropriate for advise on these issues

Well, you may think this is an inappropriate place for these conversations, but I disagree. Because of this thread I will look better at every formal occasion for the next 50 years.

Thanks guys - I know the thread meandered a bit, but I appreciate your advice and am taking it.

How AFC has spun that into a negative I doubt I'll ever know.

[Raekwon]

If Sliver got invited to the wedding the person already knows what to expect from him, yes it would be nice to dress up but they aren't expecting it and I doubt they care. Who has time to even think or care what others are wearing on their wedding day? You are always going to have a broad range of clothes at a wedding unless its at one of your 1%'s weddings.

Edit: I like to use weddings as an excuse to dress up personally as I don't get to do it very often.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you can't be arsed to put on a suit and tie your not really much of a friend or family member, just man the eff up and tell the happy couple you don't care about them enough to spend 15 seconds putting on a tie therefore you shouldn't be at the wedding in the first place, they'll probably never talk to you again, but then look on the bright side, it will give you and the wife way more time in the basement playing Warcraft.

If you force people to wear suits and ties to your wedding you are not much of a friend or family memeber.

Seriously it is their wedding day if the biggest thing they are concerned about is what Sliver is wearing then they either have zero worries in their lives or pretty pathetic lives.

As mentioned above Sliver isn't asking us how he can get by wearing a cut off jeans and no shirt.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think you mistake caring about someone else's feelings on what is the most important day of their life with conformity

You eff this up and you have effed it up for them forever.

Not wearing a "real" tie is going to eff up their wedding?

[V]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You eff this up and you have effed it up for them forever.

Haha, that's a little dramatic.

I couldn't tell you what people wore to my wedding, but I'm sure someone was underdressed. Our marriage is still going strong.

Come to think of it, my father-in-law only ever wore clip-on ties, every Sunday. I'm sure he had a clip-on tie at our wedding. Somehow we pulled through.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by V

Haha, that's a little dramatic.

I couldn't tell you what people wore to my wedding, but I'm sure someone was underdressed. Our marriage is still going strong.

Come to think of it, my father-in-law only ever wore clip-on ties, every Sunday. I'm sure he had a clip-on tie at our wedding. Somehow we pulled through.

That's what you think. Little do you know there's a crack in the foundation and one day your life is going to implode

[combustiblefuel]

“Here, let me show you how to put on a tie.# The hook goes over the top, and these things go in there.” – Homer Simpson

[taco.vidal]

No white socks with your suit or slacks either.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I know how to tie a simple knot (whatever the basic one is where you wrap the big part of the tie around the smaller part of the tie a couple times, then loop the big part through and pull...I think it's a single Windsor). I've corrected that statement multiple times since the line you quoted, which you could have also quoted if you didn't feel like nitpicking.

I wanted a clip on because I don't enjoy the process of tieing a tie. I fata it up the first few tries every time. Plus, the one knot I know how to do looks super amateur. I think a nice clip-on would take a whole step out of the dressing up for a conformist convention process, which for me would cool.

Any event that requires a tie I would have more fun at if everyone was in shorts and a t-shirt. Sitting at a formal table listening to speeches and watching people get married is brutal. I feel like everybody is an actor playing the role of boring grown-up having boring grown-up conversations listening to other boring grown-ups. Laugh when cued. Don't swear. Be lame.

Give me a garage party, house party, kegger, wing night, whatever, and I'm in my element.

Well that's exactly it. I guess you do know how TECHINICALLY, but you really don't know how in practice. IE, you can't do it WELL, or well enough. So for all intents and purposes, you don't really know how to tie a tie.

That's fine. It can take some practice. Some people get it faster than others. I'll admit, it took me a while. It'd be too long, or too short. The knot would look funny, or I'd end up creasing the tie so bad in my attempts it just looked goofy. I've known people who got it down faster than me, and people who it took longer. Like when your a kid tying shoelaces. It can take practice to get right. Now I can do the half windsor and windsor with my eyes closed and still get the length spot on. But I remember times struggling. Times when I had to give myself an extra ten minutes to get ready. It's nothing to be ashamed about.

You just have to decide if you want to take the time to practice, or you want to go clip on. If you go clip on, and don't care, that's fine. But if you really didn't care, you wouldn't be insisting on finding a 'nice clip on'. Which as many have commented, don't exist. They really don't. Like spotting a rug, clip-ons stick out and look dumb.

Considering you rarely use it, and don't really like it, a clip on might be right for you. But you gotta drop the whole 'nice clip on' quest. Cause they don't exist. Pick a path and live with it.