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[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jonesy

your aren't making sense man. the little weirdo was not a christian. not in deed or in what he wrote or in how he acted. read what he wrote.

Yeah, I covered that.

What about all the other people? The ones with the guns and the concentration camps and all the other stuff. What about them? Were they all atheists too?

I have read a couple things he wrote. I have google here too.

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, I covered that.

What about all the other people? The ones with the guns and the concentration camps and all the other stuff. What about them? Were they all atheists too?

I have read a couple things he wrote. I have google here too.

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

You know he is just trying to troll us right?

[jonesy]

You know, I am actually kind of scared right now in the ability of people on here to allow others an opinion. it really seems that if you have an opinion not shared by certain others you are a 'troll'
I really don't get it.
The Oxford University Press 'Hitlers Table Talk 1941-1944
Speech to Reichstag, January 1939
The Myth of Hitler's Pope, 2005
Three Popes and the Jews, 1967

This isn't just some silly thing you can google and pick off the first few hits and declare you self a subject matter. Holy crap guys, 'i have google here too' Seriously? If that is all you use to 'research' then you really have no leg to stand on.
The party, led by hitler was not christian. If you take umbrege to the word 'athiest' fine. I won't say that. The top party guys bought in. They were none of them christian. Get some real arguments or at least be civil.
As for the masses committing the various footwork, I don't have an answer for that other than some type of mass phycosis, it is perplexing i can agree to that.
That is not what i was discussing it was the fact that someone off hand, said hitler was a christian. That is all i was responding to.
but go ahead, be condescending, make idle fun with no real points. have a jolly laugh at the big dummy.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by jonesy

You know, I am actually kind of scared right now in the ability of people on here to allow others an opinion. it really seems that if you have an opinion not shared by certain others you are a 'troll'
I really don't get it.
The Oxford University Press 'Hitlers Table Talk 1941-1944
Speech to Reichstag, January 1939
The Myth of Hitler's Pope, 2005
Three Popes and the Jews, 1967

This isn't just some silly thing you can google and pick off the first few hits and declare you self a subject matter. Holy crap guys, 'i have google here too' Seriously? If that is all you use to 'research' then you really have no leg to stand on.
The party, led by hitler was not christian. If you take umbrege to the word 'athiest' fine. I won't say that. The top party guys bought in. They were none of them christian. Get some real arguments or at least be civil.
As for the masses committing the various footwork, I don't have an answer for that other than some type of mass phycosis, it is perplexing i can agree to that.
That is not what i was discussing it was the fact that someone off hand, said hitler was a christian. That is all i was responding to.
but go ahead, be condescending, make idle fun with no real points. have a jolly laugh at the big dummy.

I may take you up on that offer.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by jonesy

As for the masses committing the various footwork, I don't have an answer for that other than some type of mass phycosis,

I'm pretty sure you do have an answer for that. You just don't want to say it.

The people of Germany who did all the bad stuff in the 30's and 40's -- they were Christians.

So, the next time you want to equate atheists to the Nazis, remember this little conversation.

[photon]

For Hitler it's far more complex than "he was a Christian or Atheist or whatever". He made lots of statements in support of Christianity, especially early on.

Originally Posted by Hitler

My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

or

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

He compared atheism to Communism, banning atheist groups that didn't support Nazism.

But his actions against churches and religious organizations that had any power and could offer resistance doesn't look like he was after establishing a Christian nation by any means.

Hitler was religious, in his own religion Nazism and he's the top of it. It looks to me like the things he said and did were designed to manipulate the religious and un-religious alike to his own ends.

He didn't do things in the name of Christianity to establish a Christian nation, and he didn't do things in the name of atheism either. He probably wasn't a Christian by what we would define it, he probably wasn't a complete atheist either, he could have been a deist with himself in the role of saviour. In the end I don't think his beliefs are very important because to try and prove something with "Hitler was x therefore x is bad because Hitler did bad things" is like saying "Newton was an alchemist therefore the laws of motion are wrong."

[MarchHare]

Hitler's personal religion is immaterial. What's historically important is that his mind was poisoned with anti-Semitic beliefs because of centuries of European Christians scapegoating Jews for everything from killing Jesus to causing the Black Death. And it was only this attitude, shared by millions of Christians around the world, that enabled the Holocaust. Remember, Hitler didn't personally murder six million Jews -- he needed a ton of manpower to complete the Final Solution. Almost all of German soldiers who completed the grim work of the Holocaust were Christians.

[undercoverbrother]

Wait what is this thread about?

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wait what is this thread about?

DionPlett's whine and the thread being Godwin'd apparently.

[TorqueDog]

I am really embarrassed for jonesy right now. To 'read what [Hitler] wrote' would make it virtually impossible to argue for what he's arguing for, unless you literally didn't understand the words on the page.

[Magnum PEI]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Hitler's personal religion is immaterial. What's historically important is that his mind was poisoned with anti-Semitic beliefs because of centuries of European Christians scapegoating Jews for everything from killing Jesus to causing the Black Death. And it was only this attitude, shared by millions of Christians around the world, that enabled the Holocaust. Remember, Hitler didn't personally murder six million Jews -- he needed a ton of manpower to complete the Final Solution. Almost all of German soldiers who completed the grim work of the Holocaust were Christians.

I think the Holocaust was more about ethnic cleansing than religion. Lots of Christians (Slavs, Gypsies) were also exterminated. I don't think converting would have saved any Jew from going to the camps.

Hitler was a lapsed Catholic so who knows what his actual beliefs were. It seems to be a big debate between Christians and Atheists. I don't really see how it matters, he would have been a monster irregardless.