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Old 06-26-2014, 09:47 AM   #181
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I think the Flames should target Ott, I think he is the kind of player this team embodies.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:05 AM   #182
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I would much rather spend $12 million on sure things like Kane or Toews than splitting the $12 million on guys like Niskanen and Ott.

Pittsburgh problem is they haven't drafted an NHL forward since 2007 (Beau Bennett may be an exception). If you go six drafts with not a single forward contributing you are going to have issues) not that they pay Malkin and Crosby too much.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:08 AM   #183
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So they don't want to win anymore? If the team is paying them that, they will have 0 support behind them.
They could survive it. For a successful franchise they have a great prospect pool... they'd have to play it really smartly (constantly cycling guys for futures as their individual salary costs escalate and hitting on those futures). It'd be extremely difficult but it could be done. Anyway you look at they can't let Kane and Toews just walk and eventually the cap will escalate up to a level where their deals are a lower % of the cap allotment.

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Old 06-26-2014, 10:18 AM   #184
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Iginla is exploring his options:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/b...plore-options/

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Don Meehan, the powerful agent who counts Jarome Iginla among his vast clientele, has started setting up meetings with teams other than the Boston Bruins to discuss the veteran winger’s future.

Without getting into specifics, Meehan confirmed to Sportsnet early Thursday that Iginla’s focus is expanding now that the hockey world has gathered in Philadelphia for the entry draft — a turn of events that says more about the current state of the Bruins’ cap situation than the player himself.

This does not appear to be a case where an agent is trying to capitalize on the free agent interview period and create leverage. Meehan is simply protecting his client.

After playing for three different teams over the last 15 months, Iginla is certainly not eager for a change of address. He and the Bruins had a happy and productive union last season and Boston continues to offer him a legitimate opportunity to win that elusive Stanley Cup.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:23 AM   #185
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as long as he doesn't sign with another canadian team, i'll be happy/excited to see where iggy goes.
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I hope Iginla goes to a team where I don't have to feel gross cheering for him. Pittsburgh and Boston are both teams I would have rather not hoped to win.
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Old 06-26-2014, 10:34 AM   #187
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Iggy to Montreal or Detroit
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:16 AM   #188
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Iggy to Edmonton E5.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:21 AM   #189
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Iggy to the Avs. Just a gut feeling.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:22 AM   #190
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haha knowing the Oilers and Lowe, they'd probably retire his number after one season just so they could beat us to it.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:31 AM   #191
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I haven't looked the numbers but could LA be an option? I am guessing fitting him under the cap would be difficult?
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:34 AM   #192
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Same here.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:36 AM   #193
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I'm not typically a big proponent of signing UFAs... But I would love Stastny on the Flames.
He's the one free agent I hope they go after. Young and fills our biggest need.

I was also thinking Matt Greene. But he's gonzo now.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:42 AM   #194
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I would much rather spend $12 million on sure things like Kane or Toews than splitting the $12 million on guys like Niskanen and Ott.

Pittsburgh problem is they haven't drafted an NHL forward since 2007 (Beau Bennett may be an exception). If you go six drafts with not a single forward contributing you are going to have issues) not that they pay Malkin and Crosby too much.
In a world where there was no cap, absolutely. But the cap is not guaranteed to continue to increase and even with great drafting, eventually you have to pay the good young players that break your lineup. And if you have two guys making 12 mil, how can you not be givin 8+ to the guys who end up replacing Sharp and Hossa? Lets say Saad becomes Sharp 2.0, a guy who is arguably very close to if not as important to the Hawks success as the other two, and now you have to fit him under the cap. What if Leddy explodes into a top pairing guy, what is he worth now?

I'm not saying that Kane and Toews aren't necessarily worth that dough ( I personally don't think anyone on planet Earth deos enough to earn that type of dough, but thats a much different debate), but they have to take into account what they want to be. Highly paid players on a Cup contender? Or the leagues highest paid players dragging a team of plugs to mediocre success? Sure, Pitts drafting hasn't been great, but that doesn't mean that if they HAD young players come in and earn themselves $6-10 contracts, they would be priced out of Pitt because of how much they pay their top guys (although at this point Sid is an absolute steal, but I don't think there's doubt it would have hampered them in the past with signing free agents and trades, which has been a big part of the Hawks team building as well).

And again, my point is not that Kane and Toews aren't good enough for that dough, it's that sharing the wealth has to be a factor if they want the team to remain competitive long-term. Obviously this isn't Kane or Toews actually negotiating and their agents are trying to get them the most they can, but in a team game with a limit on spending you just can't have 1/3 of your funds tied up in two guys. These aren't movie stars who can carry a film to finiancial success just by having their face on the poster, as good as Toews and Kane are, they won't win on their own. The supporting cast is arguably just as important as your star offensive players (see: Justin Williams, Jarret Stoll, Mike Richards, etc..). Can you have guys like that on your team (each probably worth 5+ on the open market), when you have 1/3 of your dough in two guys?

You look at the Cup winning teams of each year and there are players playing above their paygrade, including the stars.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:51 AM   #195
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In a world where there was no cap, absolutely. But the cap is not guaranteed to continue to increase and even with great drafting, eventually you have to pay the good young players that break your lineup. And if you have two guys making 12 mil, how can you not be givin 8+ to the guys who end up replacing Sharp and Hossa? Lets say Saad becomes Sharp 2.0, a guy who is arguably very close to if not as important to the Hawks success as the other two, and now you have to fit him under the cap. What if Leddy explodes into a top pairing guy, what is he worth now?

I'm not saying that Kane and Toews aren't necessarily worth that dough ( I personally don't think anyone on planet Earth deos enough to earn that type of dough, but thats a much different debate), but they have to take into account what they want to be. Highly paid players on a Cup contender? Or the leagues highest paid players dragging a team of plugs to mediocre success? Sure, Pitts drafting hasn't been great, but that doesn't mean that if they HAD young players come in and earn themselves $6-10 contracts, they would be priced out of Pitt because of how much they pay their top guys (although at this point Sid is an absolute steal, but I don't think there's doubt it would have hampered them in the past with signing free agents and trades, which has been a big part of the Hawks team building as well).

And again, my point is not that Kane and Toews aren't good enough for that dough, it's that sharing the wealth has to be a factor if they want the team to remain competitive long-term. Obviously this isn't Kane or Toews actually negotiating and their agents are trying to get them the most they can, but in a team game with a limit on spending you just can't have 1/3 of your funds tied up in two guys.
If they are elite players you can. You just need to keep filling out the depth like Chicago did. They lose Ladd, Buff, Versteeg but had cheaper fill-ins ready to go like Saad, Kruger, etc.

Why should the top players be the one to take a haircut? Why don't we ask Bryan Bickell to take a $2 million contract instead of $4m or Oduya to take $1.5 instead of 3.4?
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:52 AM   #196
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Pette moss basically stated what I did
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:57 AM   #197
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I haven't looked the numbers but could LA be an option? I am guessing fitting him under the cap would be difficult?
Haven't looked at the numbers but with Brown, Gaborik, Williams, Toffoli, Pearson I don't see a spot for him in the top 6. Add in King, M. Richards, Lewis, Clifford. Not sure how he fits in the top 9.

Likely better for them to spend any remaining money they have in defense if they need it.
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Haven't looked at the numbers but with Brown, Gaborik, Williams, Toffoli, Pearson I don't see a spot for him in the top 6. Add in King, M. Richards, Lewis, Clifford. Not sure how he fits in the top 9.

Likely better for them to spend any remaining money they have in defense if they need it.
Yeah that's true, let's face it they just won the cup and pretty much everyone is going to be back, what would they need a player like Iginla for? younger, cheaper options already on the team. He may find that his services are limited to just a few teams.
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Old 06-26-2014, 12:11 PM   #199
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Maybe Cammy and Iggy take discounts to play with each other? Anaheim/Colorado would be great destinations. Even if the Isles managed to snag both to play with JT would be a pretty awesome sight.
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