Ivorians shouldn't be giving up 4 on 2s at the death.
Therein lies the problem. If that is actually a foul, that's pathetic. Slight touch (if that), Greek player taps his own feet together and the entire tournament changes. Penalties need to be better decided upon. That "foul" might have prevented a shot, but it did not prevent a scoring chance.
If it's not a foul, Cote D'Ivoire is out because a guy tripped over himself but made sure to look like he got shot to "earn" a penalty. Either scenario is absurd to most North American sports fans.
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How on Earth did it not prevent a scoring chance?! Absent the foul Samaras has a clear shot at goal from the perfect position!
I understand the debate over whether it was a foul, given the passivity of the defender in the circumstances. But if you concede it was a fould it absolutely deprived Greece of a possible (maybe even likely given the position and the man taking the shot) tying goal.
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They scored one goal from open play in three games, hard to say they deserve anything.
Can we at least agree that their fans deserve it? I mean, Euro was fantastic but it was a decade ago.
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I've been watching World Cups since 1986, and I find I'm losing interest because of the diving (the diving is not new, but has become too much of a distraction). A great sport is losing its attraction for me. Anyone else feel like this?
I can't say I'm an avid fan like many people here, but I'm not ignorant about the game either.
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I thought the drama was great. First Greek is about to win it, then Ivory Coast ties and is about to advance. Looks like a done deal. Good pressure by Greek, one mistake by the Ivory Coast defense puts the team on the brink. Put the ball on the dot, wait for it...
Can Samaras handle the pressure, or will he fold like Gyan in 2010? He looks like his nerves could break... One kick to end it all.
It's in. Greek is alive, Ivory Coast falls.
Would have been even better if the Ivory Coast goalie got the ball.
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Therein lies the problem. If that is actually a foul, that's pathetic. Slight touch (if that), Greek player taps his own feet together and the entire tournament changes. Penalties need to be better decided upon. That "foul" might have prevented a shot, but it did not prevent a scoring chance.
If it's not a foul, Cote D'Ivoire is out because a guy tripped over himself but made sure to look like he got shot to "earn" a penalty. Either scenario is absurd to most North American sports fans.
It certainly did. Hes open, on the penalty spot, with the ball coming to him and no one in front of him, thats 100% a scoring chance.
What was the CIV player doing there? Hes from behind and he clips the player's heel from behind impeding him from taking a clear shot on goal.
It looks minor, but dont pass it off as 'tapping his heels together,' Samaras was going to take a shot on goal and was impeded, thats a foul and thats a penalty.
I can get not seeing it the first time, but on the replays its pretty clear.
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If you can find the slow-mo closeup it does show that Samaras's leg striking the defender's - didn't see who it was - prevented him from following through and tripped him up enough to fall - the way he fell was certainly embellished a lot.
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I thought the drama was great. First Greek is about to win it, then Ivory Coast ties and is about to advance. Looks like a done deal. Good pressure by Greek, one mistake by the Ivory Coast defense puts the team on the brink. Put the ball on the dot, wait for it...
Can Samaras handle the pressure, or will he fold like Gyan in 2010? He looks like his nerves could break... One kick to end it all.
It's in. Greek is alive, Ivory Coast falls.
Would have been even better if the Ivory Coast goalie got the ball.
As someone actually emotionally invested in the situation, I totally agree, the entire scenario with three teams having the chance to go through to the last sixteen based on two matches played at the same time was inherently dramatic and the way the Greek match progressed, posts from the Greeks, pressure from the Ivorians, a tying goal, a couple of near misses from Lazaros, and then the ending... can't ask for much more tension than that.
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The replay shows first contact is when the Greek players leg hits the Cote D'Ivoire players foot trying to shoot. Greek player wisely initiates "I got shot mode", game over. So credit to the Greek player for doing what he needed to. Realistically its irrelevant because neither team has much chance of winning, still a pretty ridiculous way to go out.
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Therein lies the problem. If that is actually a foul, that's pathetic. Slight touch (if that), Greek player taps his own feet together and the entire tournament changes. Penalties need to be better decided upon. That "foul" might have prevented a shot, but it did not prevent a scoring chance.
If it's not a foul, Cote D'Ivoire is out because a guy tripped over himself but made sure to look like he got shot to "earn" a penalty. Either scenario is absurd to most North American sports fans.
It's a foul.
I think you're mistaking the rules of the penalty shot in hockey. A penalty shot in soccer is not 'obstructing a goal scoring opportunity'. It's just a plain ordinary foul that happens to be in the box. Often penalties are given when the player is running away from the goal but is fouled in the box. We call those defenders 'stupid'.
If the foul obstructs a clear goal scoring opportunity, it's a red card.
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I've been watching World Cups since 1986, and I find I'm losing interest because of the diving. A great sport is losing its attraction for me. Anyone else feel like this?
I can't speak for 1986, but I feel diving has been an almost nonexistant problem in these games.
Which is why I find it odd and somewhat frustrating that people complain about it constantly.
I mean there was just no way you don't call a penalty kick on that. Samaras clearly intended to kick the ball from a great scoring position, but couldn't because his back leg was clipped by the defender behind him. 1986 or 2014, accident or not, that's a penalty.
Now the 2002 games, those were ridiculous diving games, (despite some great soccer).
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Rivaldo was doing stuff like that all tournament along, and the rest of the Brazilians were almost as bad.
Nothing so far has been even close to what the actually bad times were around the end of the nineties and early 00's.
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I think you're mistaking the rules of the penalty shot in hockey. A penalty shot in soccer is not 'obstructing a goal scoring opportunity'. It's just a plain ordinary foul that happens to be in the box. Often penalties are given when the player is running away from the goal but is fouled in the box. We call those defenders 'stupid'.
If the foul obstructs a clear goal scoring opportunity, it's a red card.
Clearly this is a hockey forum with certain members who are the equivalent of being ethnocentric.
I don't know - this is his third biting offence. Ten games didn't work last time out.
you're right, I totally forgot that there was an incident when he was at Ajax too ... only remembered the Ivanovic bite. Will be interesting to see if FIFA have the balls to make the right call here.
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I should go onto the all of the basketball threads and complain about charging calls since I don't watch a lot of the sport and can't tell when a defender is planted or moving and interfering with the offensive player who has a lane to the basket.
Or the football threads and complain about pass interference since I can't tell how much contact is allowed, or how much the defender can obstruct the path of a receiver.
Or I can just shut up and admit I don't follow those sports close enough to tell the subtlety that sometimes varies in plays like that.
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"North American sports" fans complaining about soccer fouls...it never ends
I should go onto the all of the basketball threads and complain about charging calls since I don't watch a lot of the sport and can't tell when a defender is planted or moving and interfering with the offensive player who has a lane to the basket.
Or the football threads and complain about pass interference since I can't tell how much contact is allowed, or how much the defender can obstruct the path of a receiver.
Or I can just shut up and admit I don't follow those sports close enough to tell the subtlety that sometimes varies in plays like that.
How about the Dallas Stars OT Stanley Cup winner by Hull over the Sabres?
"North American sports" fans complaining about soccer fouls...it never ends
I should go onto the all of the basketball threads and complain about charging calls since I don't watch a lot of the sport and can't tell when a defender is planted or moving and interfering with the offensive player who has a lane to the basket.
Or the football threads and complain about pass interference since I can't tell how much contact is allowed, or how much the defender can obstruct the path of a receiver.
Or I can just shut up and admit I don't follow those sports close enough to tell the subtlety that sometimes varies in plays like that.
We're all here to learn. You can't learn if you don't ask.
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