Anti-Redskins add to run during game 3 of NBA finals

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

I am guessing the poll on the American Indian Movement forum would be slightly different

Its 9/10 in support of changing the name, as an article I read this morning reference. No idea on the source of that article though.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by driveway

Big news on this story today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...789_story.html

I really hope the NFL doesn't appeal.

There is no question whatsoever that the Redskins will appeal.

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So human rights are just a sideshow?

You're obviously a racist, get lost.

We sure are full of embellishment, aren't we?

Originally Posted by trumpethead

I am guessing the poll on the American Indian Movement forum would be slightly different

Haha, of course, but it also changes much like opinion polls for gun restrictions changes. For example, when the news isn't 24/7 about shootings, people tend not to go crazy over guns in the states, but.. when CNN decides it wants to air non-stop coverage for days and weeks on some shooting, clearly the easily influenced show their susceptibility to the media. Thus, influences poll data as well, not that I'm overly reliant upon it, on this issue in particular, I simply use my experience in the US and US based communities.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

We sure are full of embellishment, aren't we?


Haha, of course, but it also changes much like opinion polls for gun restrictions changes. For example, when the news isn't 24/7 about shootings, people tend not to go crazy over guns in the states, but.. when CNN decides it wants to air non-stop coverage for days and weeks on some shooting, clearly the easily influenced show their susceptibility to the media. Thus, influences poll data as well, not that I'm overly reliant upon it, on this issue in particular, I simply use my experience in the US and US based communities.

So Native people are only upset about Redskins because the media is shoving it in their faces?

Why did I respond?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MattyC

So Native people are only upset about Redskins because the media is shoving it in their faces?

Why did I respond?

It's sad that he doesn't realize what an insulting ad fairly racist statement that was.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

1. If the NFL was expanding into a new market, let's say the Mississippi N*ggers. Would that be an acceptable team name?

2. Would your opinion change if the Mississippi N*ggers had a century of tradition including three Super Bowl championships?

3. What if the Atlanta Falcons were sold and the new owner wanted to demonstrate there's a new era in Georgia football and renamed the team the Atlanta N*ggers. Would that be acceptable?

4. Would the identity and history of the Chicago White Sox be drastically different if they dropped the Sox from their name? What if they corrected the name's spelling?

What are the arguments to keep the Redskins name?

- The team's history and tradition
- Some people aren't offended by the name
- Where do we draw the line?

To which I say:
- The history and tradition still exists
- Some people aren't offended by racial slurs, it doesn't mean they aren't derogatory
- If the name is derogatory then eliminate it; there's your line

Realistically if you want to keep the name that much, would it be acceptable to make the logo a football where the name now references the colour of the ball and not a race? I'm not saying that's the best move (the best move is to change the name, tweak the jerseys and come up with a new logo) but it could be a small step in the right direction.

[Trumbull]

Let's keep it in context, Redskin has hardly been used by Americans, especially in the last century or longer. That's why 70-85% of Americans oppose changing the name. It's not because Americans love racial slurs for team names or love offending people. I've never even heard of an American calling natives "Redskins", so the comparison to the n-word (which has long been used, and in the South, in a virtually every-day basis) is an overreaction, which coincidentally, accurately describes this movement to forcefully change the Washington Redskins' name. One huge overreaction. It's an attempt, mainly by the politically correct left, to see how far it can go in trying to institutionalize political correctness (it's clear there's no social support to have it changed, therefore use government to do it). I hope the team keeps the name for the foreseeable future.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Let's keep it in context, Redskin has hardly been used by Americans, especially in the last century or longer. That's why 70-85% of Americans oppose changing the name. It's not because Americans love racial slurs for team names or love offending people. I've never even heard of an American calling natives "Redskins", so the comparison to the n-word (which has long been used, and in the South, in a virtually every-day basis) is an overreaction, which coincidentally, accurately describes this movement to forcefully change the Washington Redskins' name. One huge overreaction. It's an attempt, mainly by the politically correct left, to see how far it can go in trying to institutionalize political correctness. I hope the team keeps the name for the foreseeable future.

Oh my god this guy is...completely adorable! Can we keep him? Please?

Also link please for your claim that 70-85% of Americans opposing a name change. Thanks in advance.

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Oh my god this guy is...completely adorable! Can we keep him? Please?

Also link please for your claim that 70-85% of Americans opposing a name change. Thanks in advance.

Feel free to read the topic where I already cited those polls. You're welcome in advance.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Oh my god this guy is...completely adorable! Can we keep him? Please?

Also link please for your claim that 70-85% of Americans opposing a name change. Thanks in advance.

Dude, don't make him bring out his internet polls again. This guy has the cold hard facts.

Also, I love racists justify their racism by claiming everyone else is too sensitive. How's that white privilege working for you, bro?

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Dude, don't make him bring out his internet polls again. This guy has the cold hard facts.

Also, I love racists justify their racism by claiming everyone else is too sensitive. How's that white privilege working for you, bro?

Yeah I get it, people who don't hit the knee-jerk button and embellish things are racists. Good thing for pixel diagnoses, otherwise we might remember that racism is an actual act against races, rather than an opinion about an American football team's name, and using polls to accurately decipher what the prevailing opinion about such a team's name is. Dat's racist!

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Yeah I get it, people who don't hit the knee-jerk button and embellish things are racists. Good thing for pixel diagnoses, otherwise we might remember that racism is an actual act against races, rather than an opinion about an American football team's name, and using polls to accurately decipher what the prevailing opinion about such a team's name is. Dat's racist!

Again, those polls aren't scientific. How many of those people polled were native Americans? It really doesn't matter what % of white people find the team name offensive. If a good portion of the Native American population finds it offensive and slanderous, it should be changed. It's not for you to decide what they should and shouldn't be offended by.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Yeah I get it, people who don't hit the knee-jerk button and embellish things are racists. Good thing for pixel diagnoses, otherwise we might remember that racism is an actual act against races, rather than an opinion about an American football team's name, and using polls to accurately decipher what the prevailing opinion about such a team's name is. Dat's racist!

Yeah rubecube, if that is your real name, these are scientific polls that are representative of the entire united states. Me and Trombull we know what's up, the Obama and the media are making a mountain out of a molehill.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Yeah rubecube, if that is your real name, these are scientific polls that are representative of the entire united states. Me and Trombull we know what's up, the Obama and the media are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Gun violence and racism don't exist but when they do, it's Obama and the media's fault.

[Trumbull]

Polls are so unscientific, the real science is dat's racist.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Polls are so unscientific, the real science is dat's racist.

How about answering the question on whether native Americans still find the term offensive? Just because it's no longer commonplace doesn't mean it's acceptable. Let's try to start up a sports team called the "Coons," with an African-American mascot and see how far that flies.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by driveway

The Trial Board, before which this case was argued, consists of 21 Federal Judges, appointed to the board by the Commerce Secretary.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradema...d_Appeal_Board

The three particular judges in this case were Peter W. Cataldo, Karen Kuhulke, and Marc A. Bergsman.

source: http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?p...ty=CAN&eno=199

Cataldo and Bergsman were appointed in 2006, and Kuhulke in 2005 which make them Bush Administration appointees, you colossal idiot.

How about responding to this post, Trumbell? It's suspiciously the only post you skipped over.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Let's keep it in context, Redskin has hardly been used by Americans, especially in the last century or longer. That's why 70-85% of Americans oppose changing the name. It's not because Americans love racial slurs for team names or love offending people. I've never even heard of an American calling natives "Redskins", so the comparison to the n-word (which has long been used, and in the South, in a virtually every-day basis) is an overreaction, which coincidentally, accurately describes this movement to forcefully change the Washington Redskins' name. One huge overreaction. It's an attempt, mainly by the politically correct left, to see how far it can go in trying to institutionalize political correctness (it's clear there's no social support to have it changed, therefore use government to do it). I hope the team keeps the name for the foreseeable future.

So Redskin is ok, but N*gger is not.

What about K*ke? Ch*nk? Are they fine?

What standard do we decide when a racial slur is no longer a racial slur? Wouldn't it be if the race that the slur is derogatory against believes the slur is derogatory it is?

So yes, the comparison is apt as Native Americans are speaking out how offensive the term is, just as African Americans speak out how offensive the term N*gger is.

Lastly, if you're going to argue Redskins is an acceptable name, please answer the questions as enumerated above.

[Trumbull]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

So Redskin is ok, but N*gger is not.

What about K*ke? Ch*nk? Are they fine?

What standard do we decide when a racial slur is no longer a racial slur? Wouldn't it be if the race that the slur is derogatory against believes the slur is derogatory it is?

So yes, the comparison is apt as Native Americans are speaking out how offensive the term is, just as African Americans speak out how offensive the term N*gger is.

On a side note, does anyone here refer to natives as redskins? Would you? Why or why not?

Look at the polls. Do you really think that many people would be willing to accept a name they thought was truly offensive? I'm not that cynical, that's for sure. Trying to inject reason into a debate on this subject is clearly a task of futility. It's all about how cool it is to find things to be offended by, and of course tell people who disagree they're racist, lol.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Trumbull

Look at the polls. Do you really think that many people would be willing to accept a name they thought was truly offensive?

Again, if we don't know the demographics of who voted in the polls, they're irrelevant.