[News] USA Olympic Roster announced

[saillias]

The 2014 version Brooks Orpik is like if Team Canada went with Regehr in 2010. The guy has no business being on their international team.

[bubbsy]

anybody else really...really dislike burke's comments re: Ryan and intensity?

[burnitdown]

Interesting stat from @Kinger999 on Chris Kunitz - At 5v5 with Sid: 1016 minutes, 20 G, 31 A. Without: 249 minutes, 1 G, 4 A.

[moon]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

anybody else really...really dislike burke's comments re: Ryan and intensity?

It seemed like some other poster/s didn't like it but for the most vocal it seems to be more of a hate Burke so anything he says is awful.

I didn't see any problem with it at all, especially given the context of them evaluating guys. If he called a Press Conference to say it then I wouldn't like it at all but he is being honest in a situation where they need to be very frank and clear about what they think a player brings to the team.

[bubbsy]

I am a burke fan but still didn't like it.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

anybody else really...really dislike burke's comments re: Ryan and intensity?

I was more or less ok with his comments on Ryan and Yandle. What worried me was how he pushed to leave Seth Jones off the team...not because of his play but because he had a nightmare that he cost them the tournament due to his young age. Also, Jack Johnson has been laughably bad for a long while now when looking at advanced statistics. Pushing hard for him to be on the team cause he's competitive and won't let the team down worries me that he doesn't follow advanced stats at all.

[EYE_Overstand]

Burke speaking candidly in a room with other execs that want to win as much as he does is fine.

Can't believe people are so sensitive for some players. Team USA is building a team... 2 scoring lines .... And 2 checking lines. Bobby Ryan for example in the bottom 6 might not be the most effective at that position... Hence the intensity.

As for the USA defense... It's meh at best.

[moon]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I am a burke fan but still didn't like it.

Based on what?

I can't see the problem people have with a guy giving his opinion on a guy when evaluating them.

Do you have a problem with the criticisms the other GM's gave?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

I was more or less ok with his comments on Ryan and Yandle. What worried me was how he pushed to leave Seth Jones off the team...not because of his play but because he had a nightmare that he cost them the tournament due to his young age. Also, Jack Johnson has been laughably bad for a long while now when looking at advanced statistics. Pushing hard for him to be on the team cause he's competitive and won't let the team down worries me that he doesn't follow advanced stats at all.

99% sure the Burke dream comment was a joke in response to Poile mentioning his dream about Jack Johnson.

I wouldn't want a 19 year old Jones on my team either. We just got through watching him be average in the Memorial Cup... now they are going to put him on Team USA? If Poile wasn't running the show for team USA I doubt he'd be much of a consideration at this point.

As for Burke's comments... he's throwing out his opinions. That's what he is there for... I'm surprised he let the quotes out there but that's Burke. I'm sure the other guys had equally juicy quotes but didn't allow them to be published.

[Tinordi]

I really don't understand their decisions on D especially Fowler over Yandle. Orpik over Byfuglien. And Martin over EJ or JMFJ. Makes very little sense to me.

It also makes me concerned as a Flames fan. I have little time to gut feeling type management.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by moon

Kunitz-Crosby-Stamkos
Sharp-Toews-Bergeron
E. Staal-Getzlaf-Perry
Duchene-Tavares-Giroux
Couture

Keith-Weber
Bouw-Pietr
Vlasic-Doughty
Subban

Price
Luongo
Fleury

I like it for the most part. I would replace Kunitz with Benn. Not a big fan of Bouwmeester but he shouldn't hurt us on the international ice. I would replace Fleury with Smith. Fleury probably wouldn't see any games as the 3rd goalie but you never know with injuries. I wouldn't trust him in the big game. Stanley Cup winner or not.

[JonDuke]

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by moon

Based on what?

I can't see the problem people have with a guy giving his opinion on a guy when evaluating them.

Do you have a problem with the criticisms the other GM's gave?

i haven't really seen any other comments from what other GMs have said on Ryan and why he was left off. I just feel that a more diplomatic response would have been a cleaner approach, or at most a "didn't think his game would translate to a top6 role on the big ice, and don't think he fits as a bottom 6 role " type comment. not sure how being so personal in his response, that would be made public, is good for ANY party involved.

I found it a bit more hurtful given that ryan was a burke draft pick. Ryan's pretty upset this morning during his interviews. I believe he called it a "gutless" comment, and i tend to agree.

[moon]

I don't really see it that way at all and Burke's responsibility is to give his honest opinion on guys, especially guys he has personally interacted with not be concerned with Bobby Ryan's feelings.

Other GM's had harsh things to say about other guys not just Ryan. The Bufuglien comments probably didn't make him feel great.

[saillias]

Burke's uses the "straight shooter, tells it like it is" label to act like a dick IMO.

There's being able to communicate issues in a mature manner, and then there's what Burke said. Would expect a bit more professionalism from a team President.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I really don't understand their decisions on D especially Fowler over Yandle. Orpik over Byfuglien. And Martin over EJ or JMFJ. Makes very little sense to me.

It also makes me concerned as a Flames fan. I have little time to gut feeling type management.

Why does it make you worry as a flames fan? This is a team assembled by not only Brian Burke but by Dave Polie and many other good hockey minds...

This is a team built for a 2 week tournament on big ice.

[habernac]

when is Canada's roster being announced?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by saillias

Burke's uses the "straight shooter, tells it like it is" label to act like a dick IMO.

There's being able to communicate issues in a mature manner, and then there's what Burke said. Would expect a bit more professionalism from a team President.

How so? How was anything he said just "being a dick"?

Everything he said was a direct, honest, and simple evaluation of the player, not the person. Everything was also countered with some of the good parts about that player.

I think people need to get over their sensitivities to honesty. That's not a CP problem, that's a whole world problem.

If he says "well his game might not translate to a top 6 role on the big stage" then that doesn't really help Ryan does it? Commenting directly on his intensity DOES help.

The whole "should've taken Jack Johnson" thing? That's just honesty, there's nothing mean spirited about it.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't really see it that way at all and Burke's responsibility is to give his honest opinion on guys, especially guys he has personally interacted with not be concerned with Bobby Ryan's feelings.

Other GM's had harsh things to say about other guys not just Ryan. The Bufuglien comments probably didn't make him feel great.

As a GM in the league (before a team usa exec), i think there is some value in having a level of respect from the players. His comments, especially subjective/personal jabs at a player, should have been done behind closed doors with the team USA decision makers, that's what his role is.

His comments, which basically were just insulting a player almost personally, serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by strombad

How so? How was anything he said just "being a dick"?

Everything he said was a direct, honest, and simple evaluation of the player, not the person. Everything was also countered with some of the good parts about that player.

I think people need to get over their sensitivities to honesty. That's not a CP problem, that's a whole world problem.

If he says "well his game might not translate to a top 6 role on the big stage" then that doesn't really help Ryan does it? Commenting directly on his intensity DOES help.

The whole "should've taken Jack Johnson" thing? That's just honesty, there's nothing mean spirited about it.

i thought it was completely insulting.

"He is not intense. That word is not in his vocabulary," Burke says. "It's never going to be in his vocabulary. He can't spell intense."

how is that not insulting? I'm a burke fan, but that's just flat out stupid, in my humble opinion. I suppose i just have to get more used to his useless, media attention personality. Does he even know how to spell "tactful"?