[Rumour] Nazem Kadri on trade block

[moon]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would you do a trade of Sven + Brodie + Cammalleri for Kadri + Finn or another similar prospect?

Nope.

I think we need Brodie moreso than Kadri.

Our defense looks really bad now and going forward if you take Brodie out of there.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

what's with the love affair with kadri? He seems to be a mouthy entitled punk that TO wants to dump, why do we want their problems. And no we don't want to get rid of Brodie.

He's a first line player that's 23, and while having his attitude is a problem, Patrick Kane is doing very well for Chicago. Kadri looks like he has the skill to make up for his personality. I don't mind having the odd jerk as long as they are good enough to make up for their delightful attitudes.

I was curious to see what would be the breaking point for people would be in making a trade to nab him.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

what's with the love affair with kadri? He seems to be a mouthy entitled punk that TO wants to dump, why do we want their problems. And no we don't want to get rid of Brodie.

There is a serious problem here:
This whole "he seems to be" nonsense is irrelevant garbage.
What he IS is a bonafide top 2 center that can produce at a point per game, and is not currently fitting in Toronto (much like Seguin in Boston).

What he MIGHT have is an attitude. Attitudes can be fixed, but you can't teach talent.

Sven is a question mark, Brodie is an above average second pairing guy. Cammy is on his way out regardless.

I say if you can swap those three for Kadri and Gardiner, you do it, no brainer. If you have to settle for less than Gardiner (though with the Leafs in "win-now mode" you might not have to) then you consider it, but it's still not far from a good trade.

[bubbsy]

is there any well documented evidence that the kid has an attitude problem? Seems like a well liked person in the leafs dressing room, has never come out and been negative with an organization that has given him the 'tough love' approach throughout his development, including calling him out in the media for being "fat".

The only real documented negative i have read about him is that he admittedly doesn't like eating vegetables/healthy...

So far, i'd say his attitude has been just fine, and can only hope flames prospects approach some tough love and no immediate promotion to the big leagues in a similar way as kadri has early on in his career.

i actually think that he's just not a player the leafs want at the price tag he'll probably get, given the centers on their roster (bozak, bolland, holland, mclement). when healthy, i think they would prefer having bozak/bolland as their 1/2 centers, and kadri just doesn't have the size/defensive game that a carlyle team desires from that 3rd line center.

[moon]

I think the biggest attitude problem is fans from other teams don't like him and some of the things he has done so they transfer that to mean he has an attitude problem.

Throw in the fact that he is a Leaf so for many people that means he is obviously scum and an "attitude" problem is created.

[Vinny01]

I am interested to see what the Leafs do. For the first time in a while they have a package that could land a top player and not really gut their team. Kadri, Gardiner/Franson, Reimer, 1st could land a top line forward or defender.

The Leafs have so e holes they could get better defensively and could use a top line C. Will the seek the blockbuster or look to only move Kadri and keep the rest?

[puds]

We don't really have the assets to land Kadri. I don't watch the leafs enough to know what type of player he is but I don't think it makes sense to trade our best young defenseman, our best prospect who needs time to develop and a first round pick (Cammi) for him. It is likely that if we don't end up with Ekblad this summer we will end up with another legit top line center prospect this summer.

[Coach]

For me, hearing Carlyle say that Kadri thinks very (too) highly of himself in front of uncensored cameras tells me that his opinion of him in private is likely pretty low. Coupled with the fact that the guy doesn't know what complacency means, especially considering he played on a powerhouse Knights team and complacency was probably something they talked about a lot, tells me he may just not be a smart guy/player. As a coach, if a player answered that complacency question the way he did would be an instant huge red-flag for me. Especially from a professional. Carlyle seems to challege Kadri a lot in practice with questions, and maybe the answers he's been getting aren't the right ones.

Either way, the biggest tell for me is that he is on the block at all. Other teams have traded young talented centers but are usually set at the position and deal from a position of strength. The Leafs don't have guys to suppliment Kadri's talent, so why are they trading him? Is it because they don't think he has the ability to get to the top-end dominant player nor the ability to be a reliable two-way player? If either is the case why do we want him? You can't tell me that Bozak and Bolland are their chamionship duo going forward. I like Bolland, but he's best as a defensive specialist, not a reliable offensive threat. Bozak is Stajan 2.0.

[IgiTang]

Kadri is now a bonafide 1 or 2 Center? If hes a bonafide #2, he isnt a #1.

Giving up Cammi, Baertschi, and Brodie for Kadri and maybe Gardiner or someone lesser is essentially giving up 3 first round picks.

Cammi= atleast a first at the deadline if not more.
Beartschi= far from a bust, plenty of upside, potential 1st line talent and = to a top 15 pick still.
Brodie= aside from the obvious stud D in the upcoming draft, Brodie is better now than most 1st round dmen will be in the upcoming draft so I easily assess him as worth a 10-30 pick.

Consider the above and ask yourself, is Kadri worth that?

I like the kid, but hell no. Not at that price.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by moon

I think we need Brodie moreso than Kadri.

This.

Kadri is comparably good when compared to Brodie. Both are second line/pairing players, with some remaining upside, but we have a much more pressing organizational need for young defencemen.

I think Kadri is comparable to Backlund right now. They are both former 1st rounders, only a couple of months apart in age, both will be much more useful if they can learn how to be effective at both ends of the ice, and both may be wearing out their welcome in their respective clubs.

That said, I'd be hesitant to swap them straight up. All things being equal (and I think they're close), the guy with the higher offensive output will get more money, meaning Kadri will almost certainly carry a significantly higher cap hit moving forward than Backlund.

I don't think Backlund is better than Kadri, but I do think he will provide better value for his cap hit.

Monahan and Giordano I would say have significantly more trade value than Kadri. Sven probably has slightly less value, but more importantly I'd say he's worth more to the Flames (who need futures) than to the Leafs (who inexplicably think they're in it to win it).

Anybody else would in the Flames org would be fair game in my book when trying to work out a trade to land Kadri.

Unfortunately, "anybody else" is pretty slim pickings when talking about the Flames.

My opening offer would be something like Cammalleri + Russel + a pick/prospect.

[moon]

Backlund not close to Kadri in my view, even considering cap hit which doesn't matter to Calgary for the next 2-3 years.

Also we cannot get Kadri if the biggest part we are giving up is two UFA's.

[IgiTang]

I would do Bouma + Cammi + Wideman + conditional 3rd (2nd if Cammi doesnt re-sign, which I think he would as its essentially his hometown) for Kadri and Gardner but would Toronto?

[Phil Russell]

Kadri is intriguing and I like the Seguin comparisons. A package centered on Sven would be an acceptable risk but not Brodie and definitely no first round draft picks. I would add any veterans, add as many secondary prospects as you want including Janko, add second round picks and beyond.

[moon]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I would do Bouma + Cammi + Wideman + conditional 3rd (2nd if Cammi doesnt re-sign, which I think he would as its essentially his hometown) for Kadri and Gardner but would Toronto?

Not a chance Toronto does that deal.

Wideman is a terrible fit for a team looking for more stability and defense on their blueline and is already right against the cap with their salaries.

ending up with a 2nd and Bouma as the big pieces for Kadri would be horrible return for the Leafs.

[Vinny01]

I know this might not seem like a lot but something around Backlund, Wideman (salary retained) and a prospect like Granlund/Knight/Reinhart for Kadri + filler. I keep hearing the Leaf fans screaming for a top 4 RHD. Phanuef, Gleason, Gunnarson, Rielly are the only signed D beyond this year. If the Flames retained 1.25M per of Widemans salary he looks awfully good at $4M. The Leafs are looking at signing Bolland to likely 2nd line money this summer. Backlund slides in nicely at the 3 spot and a prospect that adds depth and could play if injuries occur.

I doubt that gets it done but that would be the most I would want the Flames offering. Brodie, Sven, 1st should not be in the discussion

[bubbsy]

i can't remember what turris got, but i would suspect kadri would receive a similar, likely better, return.

[kyuss275]

Said it before and will say it again, if the proposals do not have one of a 1st, Brodie or Sven there is no chance the Flames get Kadri. Wideman? Give me a break.

I would do Sven straight across for Kadri, but no chance TO would do that. Even if Kadri tops out as a 2nd line center, he would probably have more trade value than Sven going forward.

[AcGold]

If we can get Kadri without touching Monahan, Brodie, Smid or Giordano I think it would be worth it.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by AcGold

If we can get Kadri without touching Monahan, Brodie, Smid or Giordano I think it would be worth it.

Yeah can't lose Smid...

[albertGQ]

What about:

Backlund
Baertchi
Berra or Rammo

for

Reimer
Kadri

Fair trade for both teams?