Burke Philosophy VS Feaster Philosophy

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Who said Brian Burke was god? Why do you keep on saying this?

Feaster might not have had the perfect owners, but he couldn't have done a worse job. Locked himself into cap hell, tried to get out of it by trading franchise players for magic beans (sound familiar) and his 2nd draft pick in half a decade was Kari Ramo or Blair Jones. Darryl, who many consider a terrible GM, followed up the "new NHL" with multiple 90 pt seasons, while Feaster's team took an immediate nose dive into last place.

Granted, I did misremember the timeline. Forgot that Koules and Barrie came so late in Feaster's tenure. And, as I said, I wasn't defending Feaster's overall record.

[Rerun]

Personally, I felt more comfortable when our rebuild was in Feaster's hands than now, when its in Burke's.

Never liked Burke the man or Burke the GM.

Hope I'm mistaken.

[SuperMatt18]

The Lightning were kind of screwed by the $39 million dollar salary cap though.

They built a good team, had Richards, St.Louis, Lecavalier, Boyle, and Bulin win them a cup, but then all the star players needed new contracts, the lockout happened and it was impossible to keep them all with a $39 million cap.

Even in retrospect keeping Richards, St.Louis, Lecavalier, and Boyle and not giving Bulin the ridiculous contract was probably the right call.

It wasn't until new ownership came that they forced him to trade Richards and Boyle. But that doesn't excuse the poor return he got for those players though (although Mike Smith is a top 10 goalie now so that is a little better, and the Boyle deal was alright).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Personally, I felt more comfortable when our rebuild was in Feaster's hands than now, when its in Burke's.

Never liked Burke the man or Burke the GM.

Hope I'm mistaken.

I have also never liked Burke the man, and have never been fond of Burke the GM, although I have to admit that he is better than average.

My hope and expectation is that this will not be a concern because Brian Burke will be serving as the Flames President of Hockey Operations. Regardless of how one feels about Burke, I think that everyone would agree that he is always pretty forthright. When he says that he intends to hire a general manager, and that he intends for the new GM to directly oversee the day-to-day business of on-ice and training personnel, then I believe him. Everything about the timing of the decision to fire Feaster points to the sincerity of Burke's intentions, and I am sufficiently comfortable with his ability to fill this position with a person better suited to do the job than he is.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have also never liked Burke the man, and have never been fond of Burke the GM, although I have to admit that he is better than average.

My hope and expectation is that this will not be a concern because Brian Burke will be serving as the Flames President of Hockey Operations. Regardless of how one feels about Burke, I think that everyone would agree that he is always pretty forthright. When he says that he intends to hire a general manager, and that he intends for the new GM to directly oversee the day-to-day business of on-ice and training personnel, then I believe him. Everything about the timing of the decision to fire Feaster points to the sincerity of Burke's intentions, and I am sufficiently comfortable with his ability to fill this position with a person better suited to do the job than he is.

While I share exactly the same sentiment as yourself, all is forgotten or forgiven should we win the ultimate prize with Burke as the President/Waterboy/GM/Head Scout doesn't matter I would just like to be able to see another Stanley Cup in this city again.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

While I share exactly the same sentiment as yourself, all is forgotten or forgiven should we win the ultimate prize with Burke as the President/Waterboy/GM/Head Scout doesn't matter I would just like to be able to see another Stanley Cup in this city again.

Agreed. To be honest, I have softened quite a bit on him especially in the last four of five years following his prominence with Right to Play, and in light of his very positive support for minorities since his son's tragic death.

[Flash Walken]

Only on Calgarypuck would acquiring the top 4 defenders of a Stanley cup winner, including the Conn Smythe Winner and Runner Up, the head coach, assistant GM, and team leading scorer be 'luck' or a non-achievement.

Did Burke have to own the arena to get some credit?

[afc wimbledon]

I'm not sure if everyone is aware but Feaster being a crappy GM does not defacto make Burke a good one or visa versa, it is intirely possible that they are both a bit crap.

Personally I think Feaster was nothing more than a yes man for the ownership, which will always be the kiss of death for a team.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Granted, I did misremember the timeline. Forgot that Koules and Barrie came so late in Feaster's tenure. And, as I said, I wasn't defending Feaster's overall record.

Again - who said Brian Burke was god?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by FAN

I kind of agree but not completely. Burke did employ different philosophies with different teams, but I think the Cup win got to his head. In Vancouver, he worked in a situation where he had to be frugal. He was at his best making moves that didn't break the bank. Even in Anaheim he was careful before he won the Cup. Ya he acquired Niedermayer and Pronger, but he also salary dumped Fedorov. That was before he won a Cup. After that it was buy buy buy and don't care for the future.

Don't think we were disagreeing actually.

I was not commenting directly on the 'successes' of his past (though Anaheim he did indeed deserve some accolades for his success - 29 other teams were not able to 'take advantage' of the Pronger situation for instance, and he did bring important pieces to that team. I used to think he didn't, but judging on the moves, he did have a very positive impact on that team). I don't think the Vancouver rebuild was a success at all, and I vehemently disagree with them trading away Bure, for instance.

My point was really simply that he did things that many people on here don't think are congruent with how they view Burke managing a team. His lack of patience, for instance, and his apparent eagerness to sell picks for players to win now (some posters are afraid he will trade the 1st round pick this year). Sure, he did so in Toronto, but he did the opposite in Vancouver and made a series of complicated trades in order to draft the Sedins (who were not seen as truculent or physical in any way, but just pure skill and potential).

He has simply done things different in different organizations. Whether that is a product of him being pragmatic at analyzing each particular franchise instead of using a 'one size fits all cookie cutter template', or just him evolving gradually into what he became in his last stint in Toronto remains to be seen. I think it is the former, and that he will analyze this team thoroughly before making any big moves.

[Stay Golden]

If i had to choose between Burkes philosophy of hockey or Feasters, i am taking Burkes philosophy 10 out of 10 times. Feaster goes which way the wind blows around him, where Burke on the other hand has a foundation of what he wants to build and how to build it.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If i had to choose between Burkes philosophy of hockey or Feasters, i am taking Burkes philosophy 10 out of 10 times. Feaster goes which way the wind blows around him, where Burke on the other hand has a foundation of what he wants to build and how to build it.

To me it looked like the owners never trusted Feaster and his decisions. By appearances, it looked like the owners always had a veto over any major moves.... and probably exercised that veto more than once.
I don't blame Feaster for this. He was in an impossible situation where the owners hired him to do a job but refused to allow him to do it.

I also assume this is far from the truth with Burke's hiring. I doubt Burke would accept a job under the conditions that Feaster did.

However, I would be amazed if the new GM doesn't have those exact same conditions placed on him.. except instead of the owners having the veto, its Burke.

[Cambardi]

A few people on here are stating they don't "like Burke the man." May I ask why something so bold is stated. In my opinion you would have to know Burke on quite a personal level to make this statement. Has he wronged you in some way?

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have also never liked Burke the man, and have never been fond of Burke the GM, although I have to admit that he is better than average.

My hope and expectation is that this will not be a concern because Brian Burke will be serving as the Flames President of Hockey Operations. Regardless of how one feels about Burke, I think that everyone would agree that he is always pretty forthright. When he says that he intends to hire a general manager, and that he intends for the new GM to directly oversee the day-to-day business of on-ice and training personnel, then I believe him. Everything about the timing of the decision to fire Feaster points to the sincerity of Burke's intentions, and I am sufficiently comfortable with his ability to fill this position with a person better suited to do the job than he is.

Personally I found it interesting that Burke came in and did some background checking on Feaster before he was let go. Maybe KK and Murray Edwards were having second thoughts, or Burke saw somethings in the process that they didn't like. Burke coming in to a new situation probably found himself on the "outside" when it came to the overall organizational mandate. For Burke to be effective at conveying his agenda, getting things done he needs people who respond to "Him" and to believe in what he is preaching. I am not much of a Burke fan either but liked the way he took charge rather than play along with a process if he wasn't happy with it.

When Feaster was hired on as GM some thought there should have been a thorough search for the right person and at the time it was KK. Burke being a hockey guy is the right guy to come and mop things up and hopefully start a proper process. I am very interested to see how the search for a new GM plays out.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Cambardi

A few people on here are stating they don't "like Burke the man." May I ask why something so bold is stated. In my opinion you would have to know Burke on quite a personal level to make this statement. Has he wronged you in some way?

From things said to the media over the years, he can be belligerent, mean, brash, and very opinionated.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Rerun

From things said to the media over the years, he can be belligerent, mean, brash, and very opinionated.

You're just being too sensative

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Rerun

To me it looked like the owners never trusted Feaster and his decisions. By appearances, it looked like the owners always had a veto over any major moves.... and probably exercised that veto more than once.
I don't blame Feaster for this. He was in an impossible situation where the owners hired him to do a job but refused to allow him to do it.

I also assume this is far from the truth with Burke's hiring. I doubt Burke would accept a job under the conditions that Feaster did.

However, I would be amazed if the new GM doesn't have those exact same conditions placed on him.. except instead of the owners having the veto, its Burke.

What makes you think this is true about Feaster?

1) He had left one team in the past where he felt ownership was handcuffing his decisions.
2) He has come out in the STH meeting and stated that ownership nor KK have ever stopped him from making a move, or forced him to make a move.

[Vinny01]

I am excited to have a team that is going to crash and bang. I think Burke gives the Flames more respect even though he failed in Toronto for the most part. He has inherited a better situation and if he can trade in Calgary like he did in Toronto the Flames could maybe just maybe turn it around in 2 years instead of 5?

Feaster said one thing and did another far too often. He said they have to be intellectually honest but never made a significant move at the deadline when it was clear they were on the wrong side of the bubble. He said he would never be a GM of a rebuild but this summer talked openly about rebuilding (to be fair the team had to rebuild and he is not the GM anymore). The RoR offer sheet was his last ditch effort to avoid the full rebuild and it nearly crippled the franchise. His refusal to rebuild, remarks like Jankowski will be the best player in the draft, RoR offer sheet, Iginla trade mess all contributed to the Flames being a bit of a joke around the league


Since the Phaneuf trade in 2010 this organization has slipped down the ladder to more or less a joke. Bad trades, poor asset management, mediocre drafting, questionable moves. It is very important the Flames brought in a highly respected name like Burke to be the overseer of the hockey ops

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

What makes you think this is true about Feaster?

1) He had left one team in the past where he felt ownership was handcuffing his decisions.
2) He has come out in the STH meeting and stated that ownership nor KK have ever stopped him from making a move, or forced him to make a move.

Obviously there is no definative proof but the way they hired Feaster, then the way he took over, then the fact that it took him a few seasons to come to a conclusion that even a dimwit soccer playing Brit like myself had worked out years before all points to the worst of both worlds, a hands on ownership with thats also indecisive or at least scared of risk.

[mikeecho]

By this point in the Feaster era, the fat jokes were flying at a disturbing level. Burke isn't exactly a vision of physical health himself and carries some significant extra weight, but not a fat joke yet? Has CP become more sensitive to physical appearances, or are posters afraid Burke will file a lawsuit against posters?