[PGT] Flames 2 Hawks 3

[Erick Estrada]

Nightmare 3rd period for Berra and Sven.

What the heck was Berra trying to do on the first Hawk goal? He's leaning out to poke at the puck when all he had to do was stay to the post and the Flames probably win the game but after that goal and the open net miss by Sven you just knew that the game was over.

Time for Ramo to get a start. I've said it before but Berra makes one or two complete blunders every game and even if he is playing out of his mind the rest of the game those soft goals are so deflating. The 1st and 3rd goals by the Hawks would have been saved by any average-mediocre NHL goaltender.

[Change of Heart]

Berra is the only reason we were still in the game after the 1st.

Go Flames Go!

[bubbsy]

how many leads have the flames had this year, and how many times have they coughed it up.... sounds pretty routine.

I think the flames played fine, and did well to bend but not break defensively throughout the game. Berra played fine in the first few periods, but he is an absolute disaster 3rd period goalie. he is far just way too "busy" of a goalie, where in an effort to anticipate what happens next, completely exposes himself to the current scoring opportunity he is facing. He is so fixated on the cross crease pass that he down and leaning towards the otherside of the net way, WAY, too early.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

how many leads have the flames had this year, and how many times have they coughed it up.... sounds pretty routine.

I think the flames played fine, and did well to bend but not break defensively throughout the game. Berra played fine in the first few periods, but he is an absolute disaster 3rd period goalie. he is far just way too "busy" of a goalie, where in an effort to anticipate what happens next, completely exposes himself to the current scoring opportunity he is facing. He is so fixated on the cross crease pass that he down and leaning towards the otherside of the net way, WAY, too early.

The first goal Berra was getting ready to poke check a pass in front. The second goal was a defensive lapse in no one covering Sharp. The third was a backhand that surprised Berra off a lucky bounce. He kept his team in the game and gave forth one hell of a good effort. I put the blame solely on Cammy missing the one-timer he is paid to not miss those!

[ComixZone]

Flames were outshot 15-2 in the 3rd.

Berra kept the Flames in the game in the 1st period by stopping a number of high quality chances.

I know that 3rd goal stings, but it was Patrick Kane and it was during a period where Berra's entire team failed to show up.

We don't have an elite Kipper anymore. Berra is showing some potential with how he keeps this team in games - yes, he lets in some questionable ones, but it may just all be part of his development.

[Poe969]

well maybe the Flames heard that the leafs didn't get a shot off in the third period of their game and after getting 2 they were happy that they did better than the leafs.

Little victories.

[Torchdemall]

By some peoples standards there were a number of veteran goalies last night and many games this season who are not NHL starters even though they are seasoned veterans. In a split second decisions need to be made, and sometimes the unlikely happens, I'd rather see Berra be aggressive and trying to dictate the terms and force the other guy to make the play. I do agree he needs to wander less, I think he can learn to play aggressive and still keep position, but it'll have to come with time, settling down and working with goalie coaching. I'll take confidence and trying hard any day. Not to mention he kept them in that game till the end.

I thought they played hard for most of it, and when they were up they were getting confident and even out worked the Hawks for a lot of it, I saw a lot less running around confused in their own zone, a lot more get the puck give it to a winger and get it out cleanly then I've seen for quite a few games.

Still way too many forced passes in bad places especially through the neutral zone, I can accept some of this from the rookies, but wow I'd really be taken cam and stemp to task on their errors, they are not setting great examples on those, but at the very least they are hustling to make amends afterwards.

I think Sven is over thinking at times, gripping it too hard, and that he will settle in with time and the game slows down a bit. Wish he has more of Monahan's confidence. What I really don't like to see is that he quits on plays sometimes and gets lazy, but I thought overall he was pretty active and trying hard, that's really the biggest thing you want to see.

Against a seriously good team, I think they had a good showing. You never want to give it up late in the 3rd, but against the Hawks its always a possibility. A few pucks bounce the other way and its a different story, I wouldn't be too hard on anyone in this loss, they played well overall. There were a lot more positives to be seen in that game then negatives, this is a rebuild and I'd be a lot more pissed off if they lazy trend I saw from a few games was continuing. They rose to the challenge against a solid top tier team and in the end got beat by a few plays and had some mistakes. Not exactly unheard of or unexpected... while you never really want to base your own play on other teams failings, you don't have to look hard or far to see that things are not that much greener in other pastures around the league on teams with way more veteran or supposedly skilled players. I see a team learning to play as a unit, building confidence and finding the style of game the coaching staff wants from them, it ain't always pretty but its more exciting then its been in years, and a heck of a lot more promising to boot.

All in all I'm happier as a long time flames fan then I have been in years, I honestly thought this year was going to be a lot harder to stomach then it has been.

[Bring_Back_Oliwa]

Free The Ortio

[868904]

Not sure way people are so upset, what are those points going to do for the Flames? As log as they compete and don't get rolled, I'm happy. Oh and as long as they beat the Oilers and Canucks.

Young players will make mistakes, might as well make them now and learn.

[Enoch Root]

Was really impressed with Keith's game last night. He is probably playing the best hockey of his career. He is pinching like a madman and his intensity, for a road game in November, was impressive.

I hate Kane, but I have to admit he is also probably playing the best hockey of his career right now.

Then they have what I would agree is the best line in hockey with Toews, Hossa and Sharp.

The rebuild Flames gave them a great game and many of you are butt-hurt because it slipped away at the end.

It is going to be a very long rebuild for some of you.

Oh, on the Sven thing, he played a really good game up until that shot hit the post. The last minute wasn't good - rookie mistakes, but anyone that wants to blame the game on him might want to re-watch the third period. LOTS of bad plays and giveaways by the whole team.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Oliwa

Free The Ortio

Why, so he can get lit up?

Let him keep developing in the AHL. He's only 22, no need to rush him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

don't worry I work in the US so can watch the game and let you know how badly Sven blows it


I kid I kid


Sven won't be playing

Want to bet?

[Poe969]

ok, he said Sven won't be playing. He should have said "Sven won't be playing well"

[Bring_Back_Oliwa]

Originally Posted by codynw

Why, so he can get lit up?

Let him keep developing in the AHL. He's only 22, no need to rush him.

Because he is the most talented goalie we have IMO.

This season is his best chance to show what he has as an NHL starter.

Who knows what will happen when The Anointed One Gilles turns pro.

[northcrunk]

3rd goal looked like a result of Berra trying to do too much instead of just putting him body in position and blocking the puck. Rough goal but s### happens. At least the game was interesting and not a 6-0 blow out.

[Fan in Exile]

I don't blame Berra for the loss. There were a lot of factors as there are in any game BUT call a spade a spade. That was a very bad goal at the worst possible time. He has to stop that. And he looked outrageously bad on top of letting it in. Not sure what he was thinking but he seems to get over-excited at the worst times causing poor decisions. That's probably the downside of the competitive intensity that Hartley seems to love so much. Goalies need to be cool. Kipper never let himself get rattled. That's what made him so extraordinary and that's likely the reason that keepers take longer than other players to develop. So much of the position is mental rather than physical ability.

That 3rd goal was a mistake that in and of itself cost the team a point. Flames shouldn't have been in that position with 18 seconds left but any NHL goalie has to have that. He's still a rookie. Hopefully he learns and develops from this. Just hope Ramo and Ortio get an equal opportunity.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Want to bet?

its a joke

[Stay Golden]

Sven really got under my skin vs the Hawks in the 3rd period from trying to tap the puck into the open net after being perfectly set up. Bury it Sven, empty net you don't try to caress it into the cage, fire it with intent.
Then the multiple shifts in the 3rd where he so easily was pushed off the puck in the offensive zone.
Then the icing when he is 2ft inside the blue line. So now he decides to fire the puck with intent instead of flipping it out or even skating it out. Just had to give the Hawks one last chance to win the game.
The following shift again he is running around without a purpose not tying up any player. Goal.
Sure i get it Sven is 21 but come on man.

Backlund was a sulking joke of a player last night talk about not even showing up at all.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Sven really got under my skin vs the Hawks in the 3rd period from trying to tap the puck into the open net after being perfectly set up. Bury it Sven, empty net you don't try to caress it into the cage, fire it with intent.
Then the multiple shifts in the 3rd where he so easily was pushed off the puck in the offensive zone.
Then the icing when he is 2ft inside the blue line. So now he decides to fire the puck with intent instead of flipping it out or even skating it out. Just had to give the Hawks one last chance to win the game.
The following shift again he is running around without a purpose not tying up any player. Goal.
Sure i get it Sven is 21 but come on man.

Backlund was a sulking joke of a player last night talk about not even showing up at all.

Yeah, it's amazing how a coach showing absolutely zero confidence in you as a player (Baertschi and Backlund) can impact you on the ice.

I also find it funny that Monahan cleanly losing the faceoff is being ignored on Kane's goal. Baertschi jumped through the group to try and cover-up Monahan's lost draw, and it's Baertschi who gets slammed for it....

[Cali Panthers Fan]

"If Berra stole points against Chicago last game, this was him giving those points back. Things have a way of evening out. Don't get too high or too low throughout the season."

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