[Signing] Oilers sign RNH to contract extension (7 yrs)

[ricardodw]

By giving RNH the big contract the Oilers have made him a lot harder to trade.

I am pretty sure that there is no Oiler Fan that would argue that a top line of Hall- Eberle and Bobby Ryan would be not better than Hall-RNH-Eberle.

Last year Bobby Ryan in 46 games had 80 hits..... the combined hit total for the Oiler's dream line was 82.

The Ducks had to trade Ryan because he was making 5.1M for the next 2 seasons. That was too much!!

They got back 22 year old #39 overall in 2009 Silfverberg... 19 pts in 48 NHL games and 20 year old Noeson #21 in 2011 who has no NHL games and is coming off a 53 pt in 51 games season in the OHL and the Sens 2014 1st pick.

There is no way that RNH @ 6M / yr for 7 years and Edmonton's 2014 first and 2011 1st round pick #19 overall Oscar Klefbom would get Bobby Ryan.

Maybe RHN on a EL would have been the main asset to get a Bobby Ryan but now the asset base that the Oilers have to deal is considerably weakened by this contract. Assuming the cure to being a bottom dwelling team is Nurse, the only assets the Oiler have to get a top line player with grit is Yakopov.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

By giving RNH the big contract the Oilers have made him a lot harder to trade.

I am pretty sure that there is no Oiler Fan that would argue that a top line of Hall- Eberle and Bobby Ryan would be better than Hall-RNH-Eberle.

Last year Bobby Ryan in 46 games had 80 hits..... the combined hit total for the Oiler's dream line was 82.

The Ducks had to trade Ryan because he was making 5.1M for the next 2 seasons. That was too much!!

They got back 22 year old #39 overall in 2009 Silfverberg... 19 pts in 48 NHL games and 20 year old Noeson #21 in 2011 who has no NHL games and is coming off a 53 pt in 51 games season in the OHL and the Sens 2014 1st pick.

There is no way that RNH @ 6M / yr for 7 years and Edmonton's 2014 first and 2011 1st round pick #19 overall Oscar Klefbom would get Bobby Ryan.

Maybe RHN on a EL would have been the main asset to get a Bobby Ryan but now the asset base that the Oilers have to deal is considerably weakened by this contract. Assuming the cure to being a bottom dwelling team is Nurse, the only assets the Oiler have to get a top line player with grit is Yakopov.

He has no clauses in his contract. If the Oilers put him up for trade today they would have teams lining up around the block to take him off their hands.

As for the trade proposal yes that would get them Bobby Ryan. The cap is gong up by a huge amount over the next couple of years. $6 million for a top line center will be in the low end in 3-4 years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The cap is gong up by a huge amount over the next couple of years. $6 million for a top line center will be in the low end in 3-4 years.

There are no statements of fact in the future tense, except 'We will all eventually die'.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

That's true, but not necessarily relevant. The Flames paid Phaneuf like a #1 defenceman, in the hope that he would live up to his contract. He didn't. The Oilers are merely paying RNH like a first-line forward — in the hope that he will live up to his contract. It could very easily go sour in the same way.

Phaneuf got the money because he was a Norris nominated defence that year and already had a 20 goal season which is sort of a defencemans version of a 50 goal season. If RNH had a 40 goal season or 80 points I would not argue with this contract

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How was he rushed into the NHL? The kid lead all rookies in his first year with 52 points.

Last year durring the lockout he was a point a game player in the AHL. Yes i know the AHL is not the NHL but considering half of CP was gushing over Backlunds stats in Europe during the lockout it should mean something. Anybody see him in the WJr's? He was the best player on the ice. Even with a bad year for him last year in the NHL he had over .5 a game.

If Monahan makes the Flames this year and puts up those kind of #'s you can bet that there will be no bridge contract that most are crying about. Considering it would be 2 years from now that Monahan could extend it could be more than $6 million if he plays as well as this guy.

Not to mention this kid is going to be a stud.

You justify a $6m contract with a) the AHL, b) a comparison to Backlund who we just signed to a 3rd contract at $1.5m AAV and c) the WJ, where he put up PP points against weaker competition but was hot garbage 5 on 5 when it mattered. Schenn was better at the WJC - we'll see if he signs for $6m this year.

(Awaiting a reply about how great he will be.)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You justify a $6m contract with a) the AHL, b) a comparison to Backlund who we just signed to a 3rd contract at $1.5m AAV and c) the WJ, where he put up PP points against weaker competition but was hot garbage 5 on 5 when it mattered. Schenn was better at the WJC - we'll see if he signs for $6m this year.

(Awaiting a reply about how great he will be.)

Schenn does not have the same skill level as RNH. I am not sure if Schenn will ever be a #1 center. So why would i compare the 2?

[ricardodw]

The Oiler management has made the huge mistake of falling in love with their players.

Lowe has said that he could trade his roster for any other roster in the NHL.

They said that they were going to make major changes and add toughness... They thought that Hemsky, Horcoff, Paarvja, and Gagner were highly sought after pieces that would bring back talented grinders and/or RHN / Yakapov would bring in Sequin and a couple of 1st round picks.

Edmonton needs a brand new management team , one that hat has no links to the train wreck that the franchise has become.


It is almost like Lowe/MacTavish with giving out the huge long term contracts well before they have been earned are creating a poison pill that will make it harder for the next management team to want to come in and when they do will make it harder for them to fix the problem.

If it is true that they offered Clarkson more to play for the Oilers than the Leafs did it would support my theory that Clarkson figured that it will be much more fun, profitable and successful for him in the long run to be the gang leader for the gang of thugs the Leafs have become than the lone tough player on the Oilers top 6.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He has no clauses in his contract. If the Oilers put him up for trade today they would have teams lining up around the block to take him off their hands.

As for the trade proposal yes that would get them Bobby Ryan. The cap is gong up by a huge amount over the next couple of years. $6 million for a top line center will be in the low end in 3-4 years.

Yes and in your world everyone is lining up for Hemsky. The Oilers are just turning down offer after offer.

With Bobby Ryan obviously on the the market the Oilers did not have sufficient resources to trade for him. He would instantly make their top line better no matter who he replaced on it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Yes and in your world everyone is lining up for Hemsky. The Oilers are just turning down offer after offer.

With Bobby Ryan obviously on the the market the Oilers did not have sufficient resources to trade for him. He would instantly make their top line better no matter who he replaced on it.

"Yes and in your world everyone is lining up for Hemsky". ???????


Why would the Oilers trade RNH a center for another winger?

That's like the flames trading Monahan, Jankowski + to add another winger to the team.

Its also rich you posting " in your world". This coming from the guy who goes out of his way to say that JBO is a bottom pairing d-man.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He has no clauses in his contract. If the Oilers put him up for trade today they would have teams lining up around the block to take him off their hands.

As for the trade proposal yes that would get them Bobby Ryan. The cap is gong up by a huge amount over the next couple of years. $6 million for a top line center will be in the low end in 3-4 years.

The Flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan.

Please provide who you think the Oilers could get for the $6M RNH even up.


Would the Flames give them Monahan? How about Gaudreau?

The Avs's Landeskog or Duchense ? Perhaps they could get RoR from the Av's as his contract is so messed up...... which would make the Oilers stronger.

The 5.5M / year for the next 5 year Tavares from the Islanders? Wait for the Islander's laughter to subside.

He is a very talented , small and brittle centre. Is he a franchise centre? Maybe..... if he gets to play between Lucic and Horton/Iginla.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan.

Please provide who you think the Oilers could get for the $6M RNH even up.


Would the Flames give them Monahan? How about Gaudreau?

The Avs's Landeskog or Duchense ? Perhaps they could get RoR from the Av's as his contract is so messed up...... which would make the Oilers stronger.

The 5.5M / year for the next 5 year Tavares from the Islanders? Wait for the Islander's laughter to subside.

He is a very talented , small and brittle centre. Is he a franchise centre? Maybe..... if he gets to play between Lucic and Horton/Iginla.

LOL "the flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan". No need to discuss this any further with that comment.

[TKB]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan.

Please provide who you think the Oilers could get for the $6M RNH even up.


Would the Flames give them Monahan? How about Gaudreau?

The Avs's Landeskog or Duchense ? Perhaps they could get RoR from the Av's as his contract is so messed up...... which would make the Oilers stronger.

The 5.5M / year for the next 5 year Tavares from the Islanders? Wait for the Islander's laughter to subside.

He is a very talented , small and brittle centre. Is he a franchise centre? Maybe..... if he gets to play between Lucic and Horton/Iginla.

The more you post the more out to lunch you make yourself look.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Yes and in your world everyone is lining up for Hemsky. The Oilers are just turning down offer after offer.

With Bobby Ryan obviously on the the market the Oilers did not have sufficient resources to trade for him. He would instantly make their top line better no matter who he replaced on it.

Sure they did, they just chose not to pay the price. Do you think Anaheim got a great package for him? The Oilers have three wingers who project as scorers in Yakupov, Eberle, and Hall. They acquired another top 6 winger in Perron for what they felt was a better price, be it rightly or wrongly. Bobby Ryan cannot play center. Taylor Hall will try it, and in time prove he's far better as a winger. If the Oilers are going to trade one of their higher end forwards, they should be targeting defence as the area to shore up, or even a second/third line center.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan.

Of course they would, anyone would because that is so lopsided it doesn't even make sense.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

LOL "the flames would give Cammalleri and Stajan". No need to discuss this any further with that comment.

You said that teams would be lining up...

I think that is true. There would be 29 teams that would trade for him .... but most of the offers would be dumps from their team....thus the Cammalleri / Stajan offer.


Realistically what do you think he would bring back.

Do you think that the Oilers had him or any of their big 4 (the #1s plus Eberle) on the market this summer? Or is this the core that suddenly starts winning?

I think that the big 4 has the kind of value that Iginla had over the last 2 years. A lot more in the minds of the Flames fan base than in the minds in any NHL GM.

[kyuss275]

You are severely underestimating what a top line center would get in return. They are the hardest thing to trade for in the NHL.

REalistically i think they could get a top line d-man for RNH. The only problem is then they would have no center.

The Oilers tied up the 3 players they should have. Going forward they should trade Yak and Schultz. If they don't then they will not be winning a Cup.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I think that the big 4 has the kind of value that Iginla had over the last 2 years.

Yes, a center in his early 20's is comparable to a mid-30's winger.

We all hate the Oilers, but c'mon man.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yes, a center in his early 20's is comparable to a mid-30's winger.

We all hate the Oilers, but c'mon man.

I am saying that there were a lot of people here at CP who wrongly thought that Iginla was worth 3 1st round draft picks... or Brayden Schenn plus picks and prospects or Jeff Carter.

Obviously RHN will bring in more than a late first round and 2 marginal prospects, but he would not get anywhere close to what the Leafs gave up for Kessel for instance.

Do you think Columbus would give the Oilers Horton who they signed for 7 years at 5.3?

No body wants to come out and say what they think RHN is worth.

Because of his physique and style of play he will not be a prototypical franchise centre like Kopitar or Getzlaff, or Toews or Staal or Tavares, or Backes or Spezza. But the Oilers are now committed to him being their guy.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I am saying that there were a lot of people here at CP who wrongly thought that Iginla was worth 3 1st round draft picks... or Brayden Schenn plus picks and prospects or Jeff Carter.

Obviously RHN will bring in more than a late first round and 2 marginal prospects, but he would not get anywhere close to what the Leafs gave up for Kessel for instance.

Do you think Columbus would give the Oilers Horton who they signed for 7 years at 5.3?

No body wants to come out and say what they think RHN is worth.

Because of his physique and style of play he will not be a prototypical franchise centre like Kopitar or Getzlaff, or Toews or Staal or Tavares, or Backes or Spezza. But the Oilers are now committed to him being their guy.

In a heartbeat.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I am saying that there were a lot of people here at CP who wrongly thought that Iginla was worth 3 1st round draft picks... or Brayden Schenn plus picks and prospects or Jeff Carter.

Obviously RHN will bring in more than a late first round and 2 marginal prospects, but he would not get anywhere close to what the Leafs gave up for Kessel for instance.

Do you think Columbus would give the Oilers Horton who they signed for 7 years at 5.3?

No body wants to come out and say what they think RHN is worth.

Because of his physique and style of play he will not be a prototypical franchise centre like Kopitar or Getzlaff, or Toews or Staal or Tavares, or Backes or Spezza. But the Oilers are now committed to him being their guy.

Did you just call David Backes a franchise center? As for Horton, yes, they would trade him for Nugent-Hopkins in a heartbeat.

I think it is a fair contract given the market at the current time, not a steal by any means, but your instance that it is an awful deal is laughable.