Water up to row 10 at Saddledome. Dressing rooms submerged.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by photon

I don't know where the rink surface is with respect to the outside grade either, but assuming the truck parked out in the non-flood photo is about where the ice surface is, and I think that's lower than the other side, where the water would be coming from (?), it doesn't seem unreasonable.

IIRC ice surface is same level as parking lot level......

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Originally Posted by photon

I don't know where the rink surface is with respect to the outside grade either, but assuming the truck parked out in the non-flood photo is about where the ice surface is, and I think that's lower than the other side, where the water would be coming from (?), it doesn't seem unreasonable.

Ice level (+dressing rooms, equipment rooms/storage, zamboni, media areas, team gym, etc.,) is the same as where wheels of the white truck in the "normal" photo is. The concrete ring-type walkway above the truck is the concourse level, which is about Row 5 of the second bowl. All of the Flames staff offices, coach offices, luxury suites, Duttons, etc., are between about the truck's roof level.

[sureLoss]

Maybe the construcion pic might help visualize where things are in terms of grade. Keep in mind the bowl looks different now after the 95 reno.

[HOWITZER]

Originally Posted by photon

Normal:



Flood:



Use the orange doors for reference for how high the water is. I assume that row of windows above them is the regular concourse at the top of the lower bowl, how could the flooding be up to half, unless water was being pumped in?

Actually, speaking from plenty of experience being down at ice level, and going in through the zamboni doors, the floor of the saddledome is actually lower than you think.

In the first photo, between the white truck and the two sets of yellow doors is a large orange overhead door. There is a significant slope downwards from the parking lot level where the truck is parked to the base of overhead door. It's probably in the order of a few rows of seats actually.

Having walked around the entire lower level of the dome (and actually going into the jumbotron room), I can tell you there is a LOT of damage. I have a hard time believing that any of the dome's scoreboards/advertising rings will be in service for a while if all of equipment is toast. Structurally, I don't think there'll be much damage thanks to the fact that most of the water in the dome will be standing water, not raging rapids. The dome should be fine structurally soon, but as far as ammenities are concerned, it'll be a while before it's home sweet dome.

Also, to answer the questions about water flow into the dome, water levels don't accumulate, and add up. The water level inside the dome will be equal to the water level outside the dome, even though the water, once inside the dome, has nowhere to go but up. If the water level inside the dome was higher than outside, it would just flow back out to create equilibrium again.

[photon]

Originally Posted by HOWITZER

Actually, speaking from plenty of experience being down at ice level, and going in through the zamboni doors, the floor of the saddledome is actually lower than you think.

In the first photo, between the white truck and the two sets of yellow doors is a large orange overhead door. There is a significant slope downwards from the parking lot level where the truck is parked to the base of overhead door. It's probably in the order of a few rows of seats actually.

Yeah, I've been trying to find some kind of elevation drawing, I just figured it'd be about the parking lot level as stuff isn't going to go up or down a huge amount.

So if ice level if a few rows of seats worth below parking lot, and the water level is near the top of those orange doors which are probably what, 8' or so, water being up to row 10 doesn't seem unreasonable.

Originally Posted by HOWITZER

Having walked around the entire lower level of the dome (and actually going into the jumbotron room), I can tell you there is a LOT of damage. I have a hard time believing that any of the dome's scoreboards/advertising rings will be in service for a while if all of equipment is toast. Structurally, I don't think there'll be much damage thanks to the fact that most of the water in the dome will be standing water, not raging rapids. The dome should be fine structurally soon, but as far as ammenities are concerned, it'll be a while before it's home sweet dome.

Any idea why they haven't released any photos? Seems kind of odd.

[return to the red]

If you have ever parked at the back of the dome, by the players entrance, you can imagine how low the dressing room level and I would assume ice level is. The players actually go down a ramp and are quite a bit lower where they enter

[photon]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Maybe the construcion pic might help visualize where things are in terms of grade. Keep in mind the bowl looks different now after the 95 reno.

Yeah saw that pic, the angle makes it hard to judge the ice level, but it is a cool one I've never seen before.

[HOWITZER]

Originally Posted by photon

Yeah, I've been trying to find some kind of elevation drawing, I just figured it'd be about the parking lot level as stuff isn't going to go up or down a huge amount.

So if ice level if a few rows of seats worth below parking lot, and the water level is near the top of those orange doors which are probably what, 8' or so, water being up to row 10 doesn't seem unreasonable.




Any idea why they haven't released any photos? Seems kind of odd.

Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable at all. If you look at the photos, the big concrete ring between the windows and the parking lot is the concourse level walk-around. The floors of the luxury suites are probably a good 8-10ft below that, and that's where the top of the lower bowl starts. Needless to say it's going to be a nasty clean up.

Well, if this was your house, would you send someone to go into the danger zone to take a photo of it? I know we're all curious, but I would hope that everyone is out of the park right now.

[Reggie28]

You can see the north east entrance doors on the right. Three small steps up puts you at row 6 of the second deck. Below that is the lower luxury boxes (10-12 feet), then 13 rows in lower bowl. There must be a lot of water In the dome.

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Oops, after reading Howitzer's post I agree with that. I thought the truck was in the loading bay, not parked to the side, which it is, as Howitzer said.

So ice level and all the amenities are probably 4 feet below the truck's wheels.

[GrrlGoalie33]

There's a lot of time between now and the start of the season. I strongly believe the Flames will be playing at the dome come the start of the regular season.

The Hitmen do start earlier than the Flames, but if need be, the Markin MacPhail Centre at WinSport will be plenty to handle the season ticket holders and a few more.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't those the windows that are on the second concourse level? The two sides of "saddle" are were the seats go up into the press level (formerly 300), meaning these windows are on the end of the rink (the only place I remember seeing windows inside of the Dome).

I just discovered that the interior of the Saddledome is on Street View: http://goo.gl/maps/8EcyN

If you go up these stairs, you go to the small concourse area from which you access the green and orange sections behind the Flames' net. That's where that row of windows is between the red towers.

The concrete strip above the loading docks is the main concourse level, and the Club concourse is somewhere below that. From that photo, it's hard to judge how close the water is to the Club concourse, but it's nowhere close to the main concourse.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by llb2be

I suspect that the Flames would play in Calgary some where, COP or Max Bell? I further suspect that the insurance coverage would cover loss of income. That being said the owners could make more money playing to 5,000 people than to 15,000 in saskatoon.

COP seats about 4000, and Max Bell half that. Those are not viable alternatives. The only possible alternative in Calgary itself is the Corral, but that's only 7200. The most logical place for a temporary relocation really is Saskatoon.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

COP seats about 4000, and Max Bell half that. Those are not viable alternatives. The only possible alternative in Calgary itself is the Corral, but that's only 7200. The most logical place for a temporary relocation really is Saskatoon.

3 months will cure more in Calgary than anything in Saskatoon. We need to settle down. The building is concrete and steel. It's fine. Yes we may lose some niceties for awhile, but, Saskatoon? No.

[browna]

Lets just hope it's a case of a lone security guard in there seeing any amount of water in there, speculating how high the level is with his flash light, passing it on to Francis who is never known for his lack of hyperbole, and the the telephone game takes over and it goes from 4 to 14 to half the lower bowl filled, and then speculation from there, still based on the one lone source and report.

[DazzlinDino]

I am not in Calgary so just wondering if Feaster or anyone has made any announcements about the conditions at the Dome?

[t0rrent98]

Just a thought here. But suppose the Dome somehow collapses due to really bad structural damages would King consider building a new arena over top of the old Dome?

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Fire

Maybe we should wait a couple of weeks before we start talking about moving the Flames for next season...

Yeah exactly, .... Albertans are can do people.
Having lived there for over 50 years I know that the communities effected will roll-up their sleeves and do whatever it takes to overcome this disaster and move forward together. By the time the pre-season starts I'm confident the Saddledome will be fully operational. I'd be more concerned about the displaced families who have lost their homes.

[MrMastodonFarm]

We could always just freeze the flood water and go with Olympic sized ice?

[Southside]

CTV. I think Ian White just said they would be talking about the Saddledome after the break.