Kipper won't agree to be traded

[Malkin]

That's hysterical.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Funny you should bring this up. I own a contracting company and this does happen in the real world, a lot. Having a great work ethic only means that the owner is getting more for his money and that you'll probably never be out of work. Being someone who slacks off and complains means that you probably won't have a long career. Having a contract means it should be honoured either way. Now if the guy with a good work ethic all of a sudden says that he's holding out for more money or things that aren't in his contract, isn't that a bad thing? You can't say "I've honoured my contract so far, so I want more". I'm not going to use that phrase "by your logic" like you did because I don't want to assume you'd think this way but by condoning Kippers actions (if true) you're saying that anyone can negate a trade if they're willing to retire to avoid it. If an owner tried to do something like this to a player, the NHLPA would jump down their throat (just like the union would have sued me if I would have fired a guy under contract before his contract was up) but if a player does it to a team, he's somehow earned that right?

It's rare, but it happens. My mother was part of HSAA union back in the early 1990's. She still had 2 years left on her (unions) contract, but Klein started major rollbacks and she was laid off, despite having that contract. No severance, no site replacement. FIRED! But that was a rare situation, and so is Kipper's. Do you really think all of a sudden players are going to say "I know I have a contract, but pay me more or I'll retire". Not a chance because they want to keep earning money. Any player has the option to retire whenever they like, they just have to be okay with not getting paid anymore. This is a very rare situation, that will have no effect on the NHL or NHLPA as a whole.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

You're talking yourself in circles. There is absolutely nothing in Kiprusoff's contract that says he's not allowed to retire whenever he chooses. If he chooses at the end of this year or next, or this year immediately after being traded, he 100% has that right. There's nothing in his contract that states he absolutely has to play to the end of his contract.

If Ovechkin said if you trade me, I'll go back to Russia, he also has that right. He just has to bare in mind that it will be the last dollar he earns from the NHL. If Kipper has decided he'd rather stop getting paid, than being traded, that's his call.

Yes, I'm not arguing the fact that he has the right to do so. I'm saying it's a bad way to treat an organization that gave you pretty much all the success you have. It's like saying he has the right to move out of the way of a shot in OT of game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and give everyone the finger. He has the right to do whatever he wants, that doesn't make it right.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

I was pretty quick to forget about Mc.Backup

Look at the team pictures, and be astonished at just how many of them that useless man was in.

[Quincy Egg]

This is flat out selfish from Kiprusoff. You're a professional athlete without a NTC, you don't have a right to make this statement without looking like a knob.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

This is flat out selfish from Kiprusoff. You're a professionall athlete without a NTC, you don't have a right to make this statement without looking like a knob.

He's got a precedent of marching to his own drum. Told Jari Kurri not to name him to the 2006 Olympic team because he wouldn't be going, then 4 years later said he wanted to be the starter or he wasn't doing Vancouver.

He's that guy. We honestly shouldn't be surprised.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

It's rare, but it happens. My mother was part of HSAA union back in the early 1990's. She still had 2 years left on her (unions) contract, but Klein started major rollbacks and she was laid off, despite having that contract. No severance, no site replacement. FIRED! But that was a rare situation, and so is Kipper's. Do you really think all of a sudden players are going to say "I know I have a contract, but pay me more or I'll retire". Not a chance because they want to keep earning money. Any player has the option to retire whenever they like, they just have to be okay with not getting paid anymore. This is a very rare situation, that will have no effect on the NHL or NHLPA as a whole.

So since Kipper has all the power, he can abuse it? The Flames gave him this contract with a NTC that expired so he could be traded in the last year of his contract and now he's going to take that option away from them. He has the right to do anything he wants but that doesn't make it right.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He's got a precedent of marching to his own drum. Told Jari Kurri not to name him to the 2006 Olympic team because he wouldn't be going, then 4 years later said he wanted to be the starter or he wasn't doing Vancouver.

He's that guy. We honestly shouldn't be surprised.

Yeah, I remember that 2010 olympic incident. Talk about a team player.

[Buck Murdock]

I don't have a problem with this at all. Feaster should start working on the extension ASAP. I applaud Kipper for actually making a decision, unlike anyone else in the Flames org..

[The Original FFIV]

I wonder if Kipper realizes if he was dealt to the east, he would see his family more with the travel schedule, of course this is based on his family moving with him and not staying in Calgary. I'm sure the acquiring team could set up accomodations for his family and he would see them as much if not more than he already does. Heck, maybe the team would only play him at home and take a third goalie for away games. Maher said this isn't the first instance where a player balks at being traded only to agree later to a move.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Otto29

OMG...Why do so many want to run Kipper out of town? The guy loves playing for this team, this city, all of the fans (Yeah...that's us). Geez....its not like he is a liability. If anything he is often the best player on the ice.

Once again the faithful of CP makes me smack my head. There really is no one running him out of town in this thread. They are disputing whether he should honour his contract.

There are only a couple of posters saying they would boo him if this is true. The majority like me will cheer kippper on, no matter what he does, but that does not mean i have to like his decision.

This is just like when someone say's one bad thing about iggy they are labelled an " Iginla hater". Some of us want what's best for the front of the jersey not the player wearing it.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

This is flat out selfish from Kiprusoff. You're a professional athlete without a NTC, you don't have a right to make this statement without looking like a knob.

He hasn't...Kypreos, not the most articulate in the first place, passed on a rumor from a 3rd or 4th party that may or may not be correct.

And if it is correct, the back story (ie, he was seriously going to consider retiring at the end of this year), explains that away, in a lot more words then the 140 characters Kypreos has to tweet.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Poe969

So since Kipper has all the power, he can abuse it? The Flames gave him this contract with a NTC that expired so he could be traded in the last year of his contract and now he's going to take that option away from them. He has the right to do anything he wants but that doesn't make it right.

Eh. He's a bag of cats, but he's our bag of cats, and at least he's under contract for the next year. Maybe things change next deadline.

[Max Cow Disease]

I have almost as much difficulty picturing Kipper in another jersey as I do Jarome. I know he was with San Jose and all, but the dude's been the soul of the Flaming C for quite some time now. Something about his demeanor (in addition to the family matters of course) says to me that he'd be a bit less predisposed to wanting to fit in within a new dressing room at this stage in his career.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

This is flat out selfish from Kiprusoff. You're a professional athlete without a NTC, you don't have a right to make this statement without looking like a knob.

Kipper made a statement, where?

[Deelow]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm saying it's a bad way to treat an organization that gave you pretty much all the success you have.

It could be argued that you have that statement backwards.

Yes he signed a contract, but his life has changed since then. He's in a position where his family is more important than a year's salary or winning a cup or whatever...If that's where his head is it, I won't hold it against him. He's earned the right to call his own shots IMO.

[Badgers Nose]

I like how fast fans turn on an icon when a baboon cites a rumour.

Kipper has never heard of kyper.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Yes, I'm not arguing the fact that he has the right to do so. I'm saying it's a bad way to treat an organization that gave you pretty much all the success you have. It's like saying he has the right to move out of the way of a shot in OT of game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals and give everyone the finger. He has the right to do whatever he wants, that doesn't make it right.

Fair enough. But it's not like the organization didn't reap benefits as well. Kipper kept us in playoff contention when we had no business being there. Keeping fans in the seats and aiding in revenue flow. Yes the Flames gave a lot to Kipper, but he gave a lot back. In my opinion this one tiny situation where "he's treating them badly", is overshadowed by the years of him "treating them very well".

[PantherExtreme]

Poe you sound absolutely demented. His contract dictates that the flames control his rights if he want to work in the nhl. He can leave for personal reasons whenever he wants and its absolutely "right" of him to do so ethically.

[Quincy Egg]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I like how fast fans turn on an icon when a baboon cites a rumour.

Kipper has never heard of kyper.

Lets not act as if Kypreos doesn't have good sources.