[News] Flames re-assign Irving, recall Taylor

[Domoic]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

nyr

Larf!

Biron won 20 games over the last 2 seasons for the Rangers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

Yes, that's what they do. All of them. Any time a GM says the truth to the media they get in trouble for hurting players feelings. It is what normal people do. Is it a surprise to you?

Darryl Sutter wasn't afraid of hurting players feelings. Was he not normal?

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Domoic

Larf!

Biron won 20 games over the last 2 seasons for the Rangers.

Cool. He asked if any other team expects their goal to carry the load 70+ games a year. I said NY Rangers do

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Of course you do, anything for the Flames to fail with you.

What does this even mean?

Or are you just so excited to get your garbage posts out that you don't even care anymore.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Dion

Darryl Sutter wasn't afraid of hurting players feelings. Was he not normal?

When did he tell the media that a player was being waived or sent down because he sucked?

You just don't do that at that level. They are professionals and they almost never say what they feel. Thank god.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

When did he tell the media that a player was being waived or sent down because he sucked?

Sucked??? Your words and not mine.

You just don't do that at that level. They are professionals and they almost never say what they feel. Thank god.

Who said they weren't professional?

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Two examples both of which are rare cases.

They aren't rare cases. Bottom line is many fans have been pointing out for a couple of years that the Flames are overly reliant on Kipper and Iginla but have no options to replace either aging player. It has been a primary argument of those suggesting a rebuild. It is compounded by the fact that the Flames aren't winning. They are fighting tooth and nail to be merely adequate. And failing.

The fact is this is now catching up to the Flames in a hard way. Listing off a bunch of kids that are years away from the NHL and suggesting they are the successorship plan is ridiculous. The only players in the system that is NHL ready is Irving and the Flames attempt at developing him has been very poorly done.

Now they are left at trying to replace Kipper on the fly. That means losses and that means wasted contracts.

The Flames management of having a plan B that goes beyond Kipper is indefensible. That doesn't stop people from trying. But it remains indefensible.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Dion

Sucked??? Your words and not mine.



Who said they weren't professional?

Huh?
I didn't say that anyone sucked and I didn't imply that you called them unprofessional.

I don't get what you are trying to say.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

Huh?
I didn't say that anyone sucked and I didn't imply that you called them unprofessional.

I don't get what you are trying to say.

Darryl Sutter was famous for singling out players for thier poor play in the media. If players were hurt by his comments they should have developed a thicker skin.

[Pacem]

Wow, a lot of talk for a crappy goaltender getting waived.

Irving is turrible. He was a waste of a first round pick. Development didn't hold him back, his poor play has. 2 years ago he showed some promise then crapped the bed the following year. He does not have what it takes to be an NHL goalie at this time. He is undersized and is horrible at reading the play correctly. If your are an undersized goalie you have to be smart. He has not shown that.

Development wise what more could the Flames do? His numbers regressed in last year in junior. They gave him plenty of pro hockey experience in the AHL. He maybe, just maybe earned an honest NHL shot two years ago. I say maybe because his numbers were not great but he was one of the better players on the team.

Let him go to Europe.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by kehatch

They aren't rare cases. Bottom line is many fans have been pointing out for a couple of years that the Flames are overly reliant on Kipper and Iginla but have no options to replace either aging player. It has been a primary argument of those suggesting a rebuild. It is compounded by the fact that the Flames aren't winning. They are fighting tooth and nail to be merely adequate. And failing.

The fact is this is now catching up to the Flames in a hard way. Listing off a bunch of kids that are years away from the NHL and suggesting they are the successorship plan is ridiculous. The only players in the system that is NHL ready is Irving and the Flames attempt at developing him has been very poorly done.

Now they are left at trying to replace Kipper on the fly. That means losses and that means wasted contracts.

The Flames management of having a plan B that goes beyond Kipper is indefensible. That doesn't stop people from trying. But it remains indefensible.

The Flames are starting to remind of the Leafs. Always in a win now attitude and never any closer to a playoff spot.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Flames are starting to remind of the Leafs. Always in a win now attitude and never any closer to a playoff spot.

They're just starting to remind you of them?

[Red]

Originally Posted by Dion

Darryl Sutter was famous for singling out players for thier poor play in the media. If players were hurt by his comments they should have developed a thicker skin.

But never when they were getting sent to the minors or waived. That would be unprofessional. Although he might have said something somewhat harsh about Suave. Something about his practice routine. But that's one time only and it was not received well.

Constructive criticism versus a kick in the groin on the way out the door. Big difference. We have to accept the fact that GMs will not tell the media or fans the absolute truth about player movements. We don't need a Simon Cowell as a GM.

So is Feaster a lier or is just not telling the truth to save the player from embarrassment?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

But never when they were getting sent to the minors or waived. That would be unprofessional. Although he might have said something somewhat harsh about Suave. Something about his practice routine. But that's one time only and it was not received well.

Constructive criticism versus a kick in the groin on the way out the door. Big difference. We have to accept the fact that GMs will not tell the media or fans the absolute truth about player movements. We don't need a Simon Cowell as a GM.

So is Feaster a lier or is just not telling the truth to save the player from embarrassment?

Sending Irving down to work on his game is not lying. He's being upfront and honest. Especially when you consider that MacDonald will be playing most if not all games until Kipper returns. Not sure what your getting at

[Red]

I thought you said he was lying.

I guess I made a mistake.

Dion

I guess Feaster and company were feeding us fans and the media a line of BS

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

most teams give their nos 1 at least 20 games off a year Calgary is the only team ( I think) that expects its nos 1 to cover over 70 games

Brackets indicate number of games missed due to injury (according to TSN)

Pekka Rinne (0) and Jonas Hiller (1) each played 73 games last year.
Kipper (0) played 70.
Quick (0) played 69.
Niemi (2), Ward (3), and Pavelec (0) played 68.
Fleury (0) and Smith (6) played 67.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

I thought you said he was lying.

I guess I made a mistake.

Dion

I guess Feaster and company were feeding us fans and the media a line of BS

I was responding to another posters quote who indicated that Irving did not win the backup position.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

What does this even mean?

Or are you just so excited to get your garbage posts out that you don't even care anymore.

It means the obvious, you don't even like the Flames, you just like to stir the pot here. Sorry if pointing out the obvious peeves you off.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Dion

I was responding to another posters quote who indicated that Irving did not win the backup position.

So the alternative would have been to tell the truth that he was pretty bad, but he is staying because he cleared the waivers and was cheaper.

I will take the lies, but that's just me.

[Red]

What we need is another Freddie Brathwaite.