Plett, it is clear that the main networks have a pattern of (mis)information disbursement. Call it, oh, I don't know... propaganda. You DO know what that means, right?
And Obama will be led into whatever the financial/war machine backers tell him to do.
So, I have concluded that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Is that about it then?
If I give you the answers or sources, you may very well reject them. If you, however, uncover them yourself through research, you are more likely to appreciate the truths within.
Therefore, it is not in anyone's best interest to play the "linky" game.
You all have to do your homework. Oh, and don't forget how this all impacts the current fiscal issues in the US. Like... oh the military industial complex should no "conflict" be occurring. Or the potential drop in GDP if the US actually cut spending thereof, within the financial climate of their fiat dollar strife.
If I give you the answers or sources, you may very well reject them. If you, however, uncover them yourself through research, you are more likely to appreciate the truths within.
Therefore, it is not in anyone's best interest to play the "linky" game.
You all have to do your homework. Oh, and don't forget how this all impacts the current fiscal issues in the US. Like... oh the military industial complex should no "conflict" be occurring. Or the potential drop in GDP if the US actually cut spending thereof, within the financial climate of their fiat dollar strife.
Go ahead. Make my day.
I don't think its unrealistic for people to ask for sources when you come in the thread spouting off information that is in direct contradiction to what is being reported in the mainstream media.
I don't think anyone is refuting being a critical thinker and not accepting things at face value.
But you come in here spouting off how everyone else hasn't done their homework and that we're all uninformed...well you're on your soapbox already so inform us Shawnski.
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If I give you the answers or sources, you may very well reject them. If you, however, uncover them yourself through research, you are more likely to appreciate the truths within.
Therefore, it is not in anyone's best interest to play the "linky" game.
You all have to do your homework. Oh, and don't forget how this all impacts the current fiscal issues in the US. Like... oh the military industial complex should no "conflict" be occurring. Or the potential drop in GDP if the US actually cut spending thereof, within the financial climate of their fiat dollar strife.
Go ahead. Make my day.
I am more interested in where you buy your tinfoil hats, so that I may too purchase one to keep the mainstream (mis)information handlers/bankers/lizards below Denver Airport out of my head, as you have done.
Please post a link, I tried googling like you said, but all I found was Reynolds website.
I am more interested in where you buy your tinfoil hats, so that I may too purchase one to keep the mainstream (mis)information handlers/bankers/lizards below Denver Airport out of my head, as you have done.
Please post a link, I tried googling like you said, but all I found was Reynolds website.
Last Wednesday, in the hours after a horrific chemical attack east of Damascus, an official at the Syrian Ministry of Defense exchanged panicked phone calls with a leader of a chemical weapons unit, demanding answers for a nerve agent strike that killed more than 1,000 people. Those conversations were overheard by U.S. intelligence services, The Cable has learned. And that is the major reason why American officials now say they're certain that the attacks were the work of the Bashar al-Assad regime -- and why the U.S. military is likely to attack that regime in a matter of days.
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I figured that's where he's getting his "real truth" - thanks for the link
I love that site.
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Is it a coincidence that the establishment’s “entertainment” media has dwelled on the girl-next-door suddenly transformed into a grotesque slut as the Obama administration prepares the wallop Syria with cruise missiles?
Following a speech by blue blood Skull and Bones member and current Secretary of State, John Kerry, on Monday setting the stage for an attack, the corporate media is now reporting that an attack may arrive Thursday.
No doubt the Miley-turned-into-pole-dancer meme will still be going strong in three days and distracting millions of Americans as the missiles fly in Damascus with the inevitable “collateral damage” of men, women and children who have nothing to do with al-Assad or the political prerogatives of the global elite.
Easy for me to say now but I was wondering about the possibility of a smaller element of the Syrian military launching chemical weapons without the go ahead from higher up.
You have to wonder how much centralized control the regime currently maintains over the military as a whole. A "mistake" like this might provide an answer to those questioning the logic behind Assad using chemical weapons knowing full well the probable backlash. It's also tough thing for the West to ignore, as it ultimately falls on Assad regardless of if he gave it the go ahead or not.
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^ if it is a rouge element it puts Assad in a tough spot. If he admits it was not his government, but part of his military then he looks weak. If he continues to deny it, and this info is true, then he looks guilty.
So, I have concluded that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Is that about it then?
LOL, Head in sand scenario.
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I don't think its unrealistic for people to ask for sources when you come in the thread spouting off information that is in direct contradiction to what is being reported in the mainstream media.
I don't think anyone is refuting being a critical thinker and not accepting things at face value.
But you come in here spouting off how everyone else hasn't done their homework and that we're all uninformed...well you're on your soapbox already so inform us Shawnski.
I am not spouting anything. That is the opposite of my point!
I am honestly hoping that people dig deeper and understand how this event intertwines with other events. If people are open minded to start, they may find facts they didn't know and appreciate them more. If I provide them, they are more likely to reject them. If you research and learn on your own, you are more likely to accept the result.
I am just saying you need to do more study on the topic.
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I am more interested in where you buy your tinfoil hats...
Ohhh FFS.... Fine. Syrian issue aside as no truths are readily forthcoming. How about The Young Turks (a VERY leftist media) and their sudden enlightenment about the NSA privacy issues? Lots of Youtube ones there, and I will NOt limit you to what you search for by linking one.
Seriously people, I have a very good background in process analysis.
The ONLY thing I can see to save the US and its allies is to STOP FORIEGN AGGRESSION.... via direct interaction or indirect (i.e. Isreal).
Get your own house in order, then worry (if at all) about anyone else.
I am not spouting anything. That is the opposite of my point!
I am honestly hoping that people dig deeper and understand how this event intertwines with other events. If people are open minded to start, they may find facts they didn't know and appreciate them more. If I provide them, they are more likely to reject them. If you research and learn on your own, you are more likely to accept the result.
I am just saying you need to do more study on the topic.
Well you did spout off that the rebels had overtaken a chemical/chlorine plant and implied that it may have been them who caused the chemical attack.
I don't really get your point. So where are all these facts? Please, once again, let me decide for myself if I will reject them instead of you coming into this thread, failing to provide any sources for information and continually imply that mainstream media is ill-informed and wrong.
I don't know why you keep on saying we need to do more homework or more study. You're implying that I'm wrong for believing mainstream media. Please tell me how I'm wrong.
Wow, I didn't realize people are still so willing to accept at face value whatever the US government says.
Haven't we learned anything from the last 15 years?
It's more than the US government for the record. Dr's without borders sent out a statement essentially confirming a neuro-toxic attack. The UN report I'm sure will become more available. And nevermind the video themselves.
Is there any actual evidence besides the videos? Sorry if I have a hard time believing what they are showing. Lots of people thought the evidence they had for Iraq having WMDs was also worthwhile.
Is there any actual evidence besides the videos? Sorry if I have a hard time believing what they are showing. Lots of people thought the evidence they had for Iraq having WMDs was also worthwhile.
It raises important questions about how strong the evidence needs to be to take such drastic action.
Mr Kerry is of course right that most people will think as he does, simply from watching the TV pictures.
Some, however, will demand much stronger proof, particularly in the wake of the faulty intelligence that was used as a reason to go to war against Iraq.
President Obama has declassified an intelligence report that will be released in the coming days, setting out further analysis.
Members of Congress and British MPs will expect some firm answers - and the public will expect a high degree of scrutiny.
So the report should be out soon. But I guess for some people, even that will be criticized as not being true. So I'm not sure how you convince everybody.
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^ if it is a rouge element it puts Assad in a tough spot. If he admits it was not his government, but part of his military then he looks weak. If he continues to deny it, and this info is true, then he looks guilty.
If I were Assad I wouldn't see a point to admitting it if it were true. Not only do you appear weak and disorganized but no one's going to believe you at this point anyways.
If you're the West it wouldn't matter either. Regardless of whether or not you know it's true internally, public perception is that chemical weapons were used and now it's time to back up your talk. Trying to explain it away as a rogue element is equally as pointless and makes the West seem weak and unwilling.
Personally I do believe it was a smaller element of the Syrian military acting without the complete consent of Assad and the higher ups. I won't use the term "rogue" as it implies part of the military that has willingly branched off and is now doing its own thing. More so I think it was just a bad, isolated ###### up that that became quite public and has escalated significantly.
I do agree with those that question the logic behind using chemical agents as I am sure the regime can use plenty of other means of destruction without arousing the attention of the West. Also, if it was orchestrated by the regime itself I would assume the cover-up wouldn't have been so sloppy.
I also don't think the USA is trying to mislead anyone or is eager to get into another conflict so soon after scaling down Iraq and Afghanistan. That doesn't make sense to me as neither of those have ended entirely favourable in the USA's favour. And they've cost billions and billions of dollars in a time of economic recession/uncertainty.
It doesn't really matter now though as it seems we've reached the point that "something" must be done and we're all just waiting to see what exactly that is. This conflict seems more of a slippery slope though. Not only is the Syrian military far better equipped than any other military the West has tangled with in recent years but there are also some big players with vested interests in both sides. And now you have an article on the CBC with Iran stating there will be retaliation against Israel if Syria is attacked.
Far more potential for this to escalate if not managed properly.
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