Omar Khadr back in Canada

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by terminator

That is great, but what grade 10r could possibly deserve the life he's had?

Grade Fn 10, jesus Christ; Humanity is lost for those who aren't white.

A grade 10r who chooses to engage in terrorism against his own country.

Doesn't matter what his skin color is, he deserves everything that he has experienced. Frankly, he's rather lucky he's Canadian, many countries would just have put a bullet in his brain and be done with it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by terminator

That is great, but what grade 10r could possibly deserve the life he's had?

Grade Fn 10, jesus Christ; Humanity is lost for those who aren't white.

To be clear you are the only one that continues to bring up the colour of his skin or that he is Muslim.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by terminator

That is great, but what grade 10r could possibly deserve the life he's had?

Grade Fn 10, jesus Christ; Humanity is lost for those who aren't white.

His level of academic achievement is irrelevant. His race is also irrelevant, there are cases of white individuals who chose the same path he did either being incarcerated or being killed as a result of their choices.

He willingly participated the Afghan conflict as an illegal combatant. He made the decision that he was going to attempt to kill as many coalition soldiers as he could. There is no reason he should not pay for those crimes, let alone profit from them through a lawsuit against the government.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can you expand on this please?

He's revealing his own bigotry in accusing others of bigotry without evidence.

Edit: Actually, based on subsequent posts, I'll just come out and say it: Terminator is full-on racist.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by terminator

That is great, but what grade 10r could possibly deserve the life he's had?

Grade Fn 10, jesus Christ; Humanity is lost for those who aren't white.

It's a weird situation because the definition of "child" soldier is not based on the Western notion of what is a "child". In some societies, 15 years olds have adult experiences and adult responsibilities. In most Western nations, especially in the last 30 years, most 15 year olds are protected from that and still view the world through the eyes of a child.

I know when I was 15, I was easily convinced of things and had some pretty radical ideas about the world. It wouldn't have been too difficult to recruit me into something stupid.

If you go by the UN definition, then he isn't a child soldier. I am not sure that I agree with that definition though or that you can universally apply it. The UN has many resolutions that don't conform to Western ideals since most of the countries that are members don't conform to them either.

[terminator]

Thank god none of you are part of the Canadian judicial system.

I cannot fathom seeing a 15 year old go through what this one did. And I stick by it; racism is rampant and not chosen.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by terminator

Thank god none of you are part of the Canadian judicial system.

I cannot fathom seeing a 15 year old go through what this one did. And I stick by it; racism is rampant and not chosen.

What do you feel the consequences of his actions should have been? Or do you dispute that they even took place?

[terminator]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

What do you feel the consequences of his actions should have been? Or do you dispute that they even took place?

I'm not a judge in a court, I cannot pass judgment.

I do not dispute they took place.

Any more fairy tale questions I can answer for you?

[chedder]

Originally Posted by terminator

Thank god none of you are part of the Canadian judicial system.

I cannot fathom seeing a 15 year old go through what this one did. And I stick by it; racism is rampant and not chosen.

Thankfully you aren't either. There is nothing in this case that relates to race. He could have just as easily been a Caucasian Canadian that flipped and went to fight against the UN and his fate would have been the same. Further, I don't think there are many that would be surprised if sometime in the future this whack job makes the news headlines again.

[Ashartus]

I think the important point is that we cannot make exceptions to due process under the law or the presumption of innocence, no matter what me may think of a person. He's appealing a conviction that was based on a confession extracted under dubious circumstances. He is entitled to bail unless he is considered a threat right now. The court concluded there is no evidence he is a threat at this time with the bail conditions imposed, so he can't be denied bail just because we think his crime is particularly bad.

Personally I think the failure of the US to follow due process in the first place with Guantanamo is the reason we have this mess with Khadr.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by terminator

I'm not a judge in a court, I cannot pass judgment.

I do not dispute they took place.

Any more fairy tale questions I can answer for you?

What a useless post.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by terminator

I'm not a judge in a court, I cannot pass judgment.

I do not dispute they took place.

Any more fairy tale questions I can answer for you?

Don't be a hypocrite. The only thing you have done here is pass judgment.

[OMG!WTF!]

John Walker Lindh, a white boy, got 20 years and he didn't even kill anyone. Kahdr's age is a consideration and I think it was considered in the length of his sentence. The psychotic Bush legal system however is another thing all together.

As for Kahdr's wierd lawyer, I think he's just mad he worked for free for ten years and didn't get any decent exposure out of it.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

John Walker Lindh, a white boy, got 20 years and he didn't even kill anyone. Kahdr's age is a consideration and I think it was considered in the length of his sentence. The psychotic Bush legal system however is another thing all together.

As for Kahdr's wierd lawyer, I think he's just mad he worked for free for ten years and didn't get any decent exposure out of it.

Seems like its more a religious issue than a racial one.

I think everyone needs think a little more rationally about all this.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/o...the-scapegoat/

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by terminator

Do I need to? Really.

its really simple: He's a muslim child soldier, but because he's muslim lets omit child.

I don't care if he's black, white, christian, martian or anything like that.

I'd have the same view point for the white kids that are going over to fight with ISIS.

He isn't by definition a child soldier.

He was an illegal combatant taken in arms.

He was fighting as an insurgent against his own country and its ally.

He was not drugged, or beaten or blackmailed into becoming a soldier.

He reveled over the murder long after he was caught saying that killing his victim was the proudest day of his life.

If you don't think his little press conference was heavily scripted by his legal team you are completely delusional.

the fact that you come in and throw around accusations makes you a person with an opinion that isn't rooted in any kind of understanding or fact.

You might as well throw some godwin in there while you're at it.

I my friend am not a racist.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This is complete bull#### and you are coming across as a moron.

I don't care if he's black, white, christian, martian or anything like that.

I'd have the same view point for the white kids that are going over to fight with ISIS.

He isn't by definition a child soldier.

He was an illegal combatant taken in arms.

He was fighting as an insurgent against his own country and its ally.

He was not drugged, or beaten or blackmailed into becoming a soldier.

He reveled over the murder long after he was caught saying that killing his victim was the proudest day of his life.

If you don't think his little press conference was heavily scripted by his legal team you are completely delusional.

the fact that you come in and throw around accusations makes you a person with an opinion that isn't rooted in any kind of understanding or fact.

You might as well throw some godwin in there while you're at it.

I my friend am not a racist, you however are a idiot

No sense calling anyone a racist, or an idiot.

Oh boy.

[110%]

I'm glad he may finally get a chance at life. Every person that has overlooked him in his life has clearly not had Omar's interests in mind. From his ridiculous family to his US captors at Gitmo, etc. I thought his psychological assessment that was released was fairly telling and struck me as being a reasonable assessment (ie: there's some risk, but he's made great strides and deserves a chance).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 110%

I'm glad he may finally get a chance at life. Every person that has overlooked him in his life has clearly not had Omar's interests in mind. From his ridiculous family to his US captors at Gitmo, etc. I thought his psychological assessment that was released was fairly telling and struck me as being a reasonable assessment (ie: there's some risk, but he's made great strides and deserves a chance).

I am sure Taryn and Tanner are also happy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

No sense calling anyone a racist, or an idiot.

Oh boy.

Nope your right, I apologize for my part to the board and the member.

I lost my head when my post is being held up as an example of racism.


I've ended out the statement in question.

[RougeUnderoos]

Can someone explain to me why what he did is called murder? He was fighting in a war. He was in a firefight with armed invaders, and was shot himself. If he can be charged with murder, can the guy who shot him be charged with attempted murder? And if not, why not?