So according to this article, it is inevitable and only a matter of time before our very own Devils Advocate gains back all the weight he worked so hard to lose and becomes fat again.
That reads more like an opinion piece then anything scientific. The "studies" quoted seem dubious as well.
Umm... you should take a look at the source, and their other articles.
I swear, the gamblers, alcoholics and drug addicts get treated better.
I can promise you that is not the case.
Throw in depression in there and you have the big 5 that need the most help but are usually ignored or are the ones affraid to ask for help. People aren't going to be falling over themselves to help you (not you but people with problems), you need to ask for help and take control of it yourself. I know it's hard, and I'm sure you could attest to how hard it was/is, but people need to look at themselves and get the help they need. The world is too selfish as a whole to expect someone to guide you along when you aren't asking for help.
It goes back to what I was saying before. If someone or something is bothering you so much it hurts you feelings then you should take responsibility and fix it.
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This was soooooooooo evident when I recently vacationed in Hawaii.
I make all my own bread, but not when on vacation. When looking at the package ingredients of the bread I was thinking of buying, high-fructose corn syrup was usually one of the first 2 or 3 ingredients.
The article is overly broad, but it's got the right idea: dieting is a short term and unsustainable fix, and people who lose weight through dieting will almost always gain all of it back (and not long after the diet comes to an end either).
Simply put, weight isn't the issue - most NHL players are "overweight" and I doubt anyone would criticize them for being unhealthy.
The issue is diet (in terms of quality moreso than quantity) and lifestyle (in terms of activity). If you're eating nothing but bleached bread and pop, and engaging in no physical activity, you could be well within the so called "normal" weight range, and still be very unhealthy.
Complicating the diet component is the fact that healthy foods are simply more expensive and less available that unhealthy ones. This is why you have the seemingly paradoxical situation of morbid obesity being more common among poorer populations: the food they can afford is pumped full of HFCS, and otherwise nutritionally depleted.
Diets are not sustainable - nobody can be on a "diet" for the rest of their life. That's why almost everyone gains the weight back. Lifestyle change (both in terms of nutrition and physical activity) is necessary to achieve a long-lasting change, and this is obviously really really hard to do - particularly for those who were raised on frozen pizzas, cokes, chips, and mickey d's.
Leaving all that aside though, weight shouldn't be anyone's focus. Health is what's important here. Some (perhaps most) of the healthiest people in our society are regarded by most statistics as "overweight". That right there should tell you that weight isn't what's important here: it's health.
It goes back to what I was saying before. If someone or something is bothering you so much it hurts you feelings then you should take responsibility and fix it.
How far does that extend? What if people are making fun of you because you are gay? Or have a big nose? Or follow a minority religion?
A good summary about High-Fructose Corn Syrup, the ties to industrials, and the impact on health: http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...farm-bill.html
Most notably: "Over the past three decades, U.S. consumption of high-fructose corn syrup has jumped 1,000 percent." Weren't we saying that the obesity rates have been skyrocketing in the past two or three decades?
I don't know then if the problem is then "the American diet" (a mix of German and Irish cuisine, both countries having much smaller obesity rates) or the fact that industrials replaced natural sugar by processed crap to make cheaper (but worse for you) products and lobbied the US Government to avoid any kind of criticism or regulations (cf when they tried to rename it to "corn sugar" to fool people better). People that would have been healthy eating with the same diet as their grandparents' ended up actually eating much more calories than them because of food industries.
Again, some will say that I'm trying to find excuses, but I'm not; I do believe that exercise and a balanced diet are important, but I'm just saying that if the industrials radically change the contents of food behind your back and add calories to everything you eat, it's going to be much harder for people to be healthy in general. "Everyone should exercise" is not gonna work as well as "Everyone should fight against putting HFCS everywhere in food".
Another graph showing another problem: the US subventions for agriculture vs what you should eat: http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...youre-fat.html http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...youre-fat.html
Fruit and vegetable get 1% of the total food subsidy. If you wanted to subsidize food fairly, so that the food type you should eat X% of gets X% of the subsidies, you have to cut subsidies to meat and dairy by 75% and increase subsidies to fruit and vegetable by 900%.
Again, it's not looking for excuses, but just being aware that the market is shaped by lobbies and government policies that are inadequate compared to what is healthy food or not, and it's heavily influencing consumers' choices and steering them away from healthy food. Of course you can be careful about what you eat, but when government subsidies make meat too cheap and vegetables too expensive, it just makes it much harder; to me, that's where the biggest problem lies.
I'd be interested in knowing the figures for Canada, but I wouldn't be surprised if the subventions were skewed in Canada too. And the US subventions have an impact on Canadian society, since there's a lot of food imported from the US, so part of the problem in Canada is tied to the same problem in the US.
Also, if you were looking for another reason to hate HFCS industries, apparently last year HFCS producers had an ad about how you were a racist snob if you didn't want HFCS in your food (I can't find the video on youtube though, but SNL had a parody of that apparently): http://www.treehugger.com/culture/sn...ads-video.html
A good summary about High-Fructose Corn Syrup, the ties to industrials, and the impact on health: http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...farm-bill.html
Most notably: "Over the past three decades, U.S. consumption of high-fructose corn syrup has jumped 1,000 percent." Weren't we saying that the obesity rates have been skyrocketing in the past two or three decades?
I don't know then if the problem is then "the American diet" (a mix of German and Irish cuisine, both countries having much smaller obesity rates) or the fact that industrials replaced natural sugar by processed crap to make cheaper (but worse for you) products and lobbied the US Government to avoid any kind of criticism or regulations (cf when they tried to rename it to "corn sugar" to fool people better). People that would have been healthy eating with the same diet as their grandparents' ended up actually eating much more calories than them because of food industries.
Again, some will say that I'm trying to find excuses, but I'm not; I do believe that exercise and a balanced diet are important, but I'm just saying that if the industrials radically change the contents of food behind your back and add calories to everything you eat, it's going to be much harder for people to be healthy in general. "Everyone should exercise" is not gonna work as well as "Everyone should fight against putting HFCS everywhere in food".
Another graph showing another problem: the US subventions for agriculture vs what you should eat: http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...youre-fat.html http://www.treehugger.com/green-food...youre-fat.html
Fruit and vegetable get 1% of the total food subsidy. If you wanted to subsidize food fairly, so that the food type you should eat X% of gets X% of the subsidies, you have to cut subsidies to meat and dairy by 75% and increase subsidies to fruit and vegetable by 900%.
Again, it's not looking for excuses, but just being aware that the market is shaped by lobbies and government policies that are inadequate compared to what is healthy food or not, and it's heavily influencing consumers' choices and steering them away from healthy food. Of course you can be careful about what you eat, but when government subsidies make meat too cheap and vegetables too expensive, it just makes it much harder; to me, that's where the biggest problem lies.
I'd be interested in knowing the figures for Canada, but I wouldn't be surprised if the subventions were skewed in Canada too. And the US subventions have an impact on Canadian society, since there's a lot of food imported from the US, so part of the problem in Canada is tied to the same problem in the US.
Also, if you were looking for another reason to hate HFCS industries, apparently last year HFCS producers had an ad about how you were a racist snob if you didn't want HFCS in your food (I can't find the video on youtube though, but SNL had a parody of that apparently): http://www.treehugger.com/culture/sn...ads-video.html
No, but I'm a treehugger who likes fighting against cartels when they're trying to lobby their way past regulations that a society needs. I also enjoy long long walks on the beach.
No, but I'm a treehugger who likes fighting against cartels when they're trying to lobby their way past regulations that a society needs. I also enjoy long long walks on the beach.
Because alcohol is made available in almost every grocery store in the states. As is tobacco.
An analysis of prime time TV found that alcohol commercials appeared at the rate of 0.2 per hour while drinking portrayals during programs occured 25 times more frequently, at five times per hour.
Just because HFCS is so prevalently out there it doesn't negate the responsibility to pay attention to what you eat. I don't ever hear people trying to quit smoking blaming the prevalence of cigarettes on the fact they're made so available (less now than prior). If I were to give smokers any sort of credit is they usually accept their involvement in the issue. "It's a disgusting habit and I should have never started and I want to quit but I've got to little willpower". Not "the smoking industry lied to us".
I think a lot of the prejudice towards overweight people is because a lot of them act like it's not their fault. Yeah yeah, I'm sure there's plenty that have actual issues (physical, non-curable) that result in them being obese. But the self esteem issues, depression issues, etc, welcome to the world of EVERYONE. Yeah, it's hard to get over some of these issues, or to get started exercising when you're 400 lbs. I don't thing anyone is saying otherwise. But stupid people are always going to hate/laugh/mock so the faster one learns to live with it the better.
Clearly Devils Advocate had something he needed to deal with. Holy F, he did a kick ass job, dealt with some of them, unfortunately may continue to deal with them, but has knocked the overweight issue out of the friggin ball park. If anything he's proof that plenty of obese need to stop blaming a plethora of things and move on with their lives and start taking responsibility.
I've got countless things I need to do with myself. Some that are bordering on being so much more important than much else in my life and I put them off. I blame myself because I'm a procrastinator and lazy. Not some ghost HFCS industry that's in cahoots with the government (yes, that's an extreme exageration).
BTW, loved the Eat Less Move More video. That was awesome!
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For that "five other people", I'm assuming you have some scientific research to back that up. Because if we are just going to throw out anecdotal evidence, I work with people who are trying to lose weight, and most of them eat not because "they are lazy", but to fill some kind of void in their lives or to fulfill some emotional need/craving.
For many is it a crutch, one that will eventually kill them. They choose this crutch as much as a gambler chooses to gamble, an alcoholic chooses to drink and an addict chooses to get high. While the addiction may not be as much physical as it is emotional, it is still an addiction. It's why groups like Overeaters Anonymous exist. I was actually shocked to find out just how many chapters there are. There are many people who have realized that it is an addiction that fills some kind of emotional void.
But I guess it's easier just to call them lazy slobs so you can feel free to condemn them. I swear, the gamblers, alcoholics and drug addicts get treated better.
I would be inclined to buy what you are selling if fat people weren't so common. Gamblers, alcoholics, and drug addict probably do get treated better because they aren't all around you every day like fat people. Like I said before I sympathize with those who have real medical conditions and mental issues but there's no way you will ever convince me otherwise that the majority are simply living a poor lifestyle by choice.
This generation is so coddled honestly what ever happened to manning up and accepting things in your life? I can guarantee that there are few on these boards that had a worse childhood than me. I was beaten with belts, hockey sticks, tennis racquets, suffered a through a horrible, messy, violent parental divorce where the four kids were separated (2 with each parent), etc. and yeah I was a problem teen but in my early 20's I manned up and made a decision to get my life straight and it's been clear sailing ever since. I don't look back at anything and feel sorry for myself or regret anything. I realize that it's not as easy for some people as it is for others to stop feeling sorry for themselves and moving on but I don't buy that most people don't have the mental fortitude to break free of their addictions. It's a matter of really, really wanting it. If you can't stop eating it's likely because deep down inside you don't want to.
Everything is easy now. If you have a condition there is a medication for it and there are hundreds of studies that show what you have is a medical condition that hundreds of other people have. We've really become great at making excuses for everyone's issues like it's supposed to be comforting that the problem you have is common and lots of people have it. It makes it all too easy now to simply accept your problems. Sure lots of people have serotonin imbalances and medication helps but man it's like half the population is on antidepressents. If you are depressed because of your life situation and medication makes you not worry about it the root cause of your issues still exist and you are never going to move past it being artificially blocked from caring about it. We have become great at diagnosing the problems but terrible at coming up with real solutions outside of masking the problems with drugs. A lot of times the answers are within and it's up to the individual to make the hard decisions and sacrifices. Everyone has personal issues and the difference between the weak and the strong is that the strong chooses to be strong and deal with their issues.
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I would be inclined to buy what you are selling if fat people weren't so common. Gamblers, alcoholics, and drug addict probably do get treated better because they aren't all around you every day like fat people. Like I said before I sympathize with those who have real medical conditions and mental issues but there's no way you will ever convince me otherwise that the majority are simply living a poor lifestyle by choice.
You honestly think that there are not people like this around you every day?
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You honestly think that there are not people like this around you every day?
I'm sure that daily I may come accross a gambler or alcoholic but typically it's concealed from me but you can't hide being fat and please don't try to tell me the numbers of those addictions are anywhere close to obesity numbers. Comparing to other addictions is simply making excuses for having the problem and not wanting to make the hard sacrifices to deal with it.
I'm sure that daily I may come accross a gambler or alcoholic but typically it's concealed from me but you can't hide being fat and please don't try to tell me the numbers of those addictions are anywhere close to obesity numbers. Comparing to other addictions is simply making excuses for having the problem and not wanting to make the hard sacrifices to deal with it.
30% of Americans isn't close to the number of obese people?
The difference is that you don't have to suffer from an addiction or a mental problem to be obese. That's not really the case with the other examples since they're by definition, addictions. While some people eat to fill emotional voids, most people are overweight simply because they have poor diets and get little to no physical activity. There's a reason the United States has an obesity rates 3 times that of Sweden and 10 times that of Japan and it's because of the prevailing lifestyle, not because that many more people suffer from emotional problems in the United States compared to other nations.
The difference is that you don't have to suffer from an addiction or a mental problem to be obese. That's not really the case with the other examples since they're by definition, addictions. While some people eat to fill emotional voids, most people are overweight simply because they have poor diets and get little to no physical activity. There's a reason the United States has an obesity rates 3 times that of Sweden and 10 times that of Japan and it's because of the prevailing lifestyle, not because that many more people suffer from emotional problems in the United States compared to other nations.
That is such a crock of crap. If you're saying every alcoholic/drug addict was born an addict and didn't end up that way through their own choices, I don't really know what to say. Some did, but not every person did.
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