Am I going to be the first one to point out that the alien burst out of space jockey's chest in the escape pod, but in Alien it showed him sitting in his chair with the chest ripped open?
Maybe he crawls over there, or something drags him over to the chair. I am sure that ill be explained.
As for why David dosed the drink there could be many explanations for it,
Maybe he was jealous of Charlie's relationship with Shaw, as it appeared he was a tad obsessed with her at the beginning of the film.
Maybe the "try harder" order from Weyland forced him to do something. When the head yielded no results he had to try and do something, and seeing what the oil would do to Charlie did this.
Also just from the conversation David had with Charlie you could pick up many reasons why David would do such a thing. Charlie seemed to denigrate the fact that David was an android and would never be human; Charlie also said he would do anything to find out answers to many of the questions he had, and drinking the oil is "anything".
It even could have been simply an experiment to see what happened to Charlie if he drank the oil. David seemed to be a very inquisitive android, and moved to the beat of his own drum (opening doors at random, then taking the container of goo without the team's knowledge). This was just a further expansion of his nature.
Why not question some of the actions Ash takes in the first movie? Why did he let Kane back aboard the ship knowing that he had the facehugger attached to his face? Then even after the facehugger "removes" itself why does Ash let Kane go free without containing him or anything along those lines?
Perhaps people's expectations were too high going in. It's not Alien or Aliens level of quality, but it is still very good and I hope gets sequels down the road.
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Am I going to be the first one to point out that the alien burst out of space jockey's chest in the escape pod, but in Alien it showed him sitting in his chair with the chest ripped open?
Alien starts on planet LV-426, Prometheus is LV-223. Space jockey and the ship in Alien are different than the ones in Prometheus.
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Okay, that makes more sense than "they'll get to that in the sequel."
I think Ridley Scott said though that any sequel would further digress from Alien. I just think the Space Jockey ship from Alien was another ship from the same factory.
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^ Well that question will likely be answered in the sequel, but it's likely that the Creators despised what they made (mankind), as we are ruining our Earth and creating life ourselves (such as David, the android). Then you have Guy Pearce asking for immortality which was guaranteed to make the situation even worse.
Heck mankind also seems to be responsible for the creation of xenomorph's which is just another reason why the creators would want to end our existence. They likely feel we our not only causing destruction of Earth, but also possibly the entire Universe. I imagine they are not too pleased with that.
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The space jockey was in cryo-sleep for 2000 years how would he know anything as to how we are ruining our Earth? When the xenomorph was born (wtf was that? seriously? a squid born from two humans, one infected by the black goo has his way with the blue dong guy from the watchmen and a xenomorph is born?) he was already dead.
David and the two people she beat up in the surgery room knew Shaw is pregnant with the parasite, then they completely lost interest in her and the "baby" and no one in the old guy's room gave a crap that Shaw showed up all bloodied up and with a huge C section. They knew they had alien life form on the ship but that had to wait cuz the old dude who was hiding (god knows why) was about to meet his creator...?
And note to Charlize, when the giant space ship is rolling down the hill after you, don't try to outrun it. Run sideways. Silly blonde.
The space jockey was in cryo-sleep for 2000 years how would he know anything as to how we are ruining our Earth? When the xenomorph was born (wtf was that? seriously? a squid born from two humans, one infected by the black goo has his way with the blue dong guy from the watchmen and a xenomorph is born?) he was already dead.
David and the two people she beat up in the surgery room knew Shaw is pregnant with the parasite, then they completely lost interest in her and the "baby" and no one in the old guy's room gave a crap that Shaw showed up all bloodied up and with a huge C section. They knew they had alien life form on the ship but that had to wait cuz the old dude who was hiding (god knows why) was about to meet his creator...?
And note to Charlize, when the giant space ship is rolling down the hill after you, don't try to outrun it. Run sideways. Silly blonde.
Ya I love how they completely ignored that Shaw gave birth to a parasitic life form especially after they torched her boyfriend for being infected.
The space jockey was in cryo-sleep for 2000 years how would he know anything as to how we are ruining our Earth? When the xenomorph was born (wtf was that? seriously? a squid born from two humans, one infected by the black goo has his way with the blue dong guy from the watchmen and a xenomorph is born?) he was already dead.
David and the two people she beat up in the surgery room knew Shaw is pregnant with the parasite, then they completely lost interest in her and the "baby" and no one in the old guy's room gave a crap that Shaw showed up all bloodied up and with a huge C section. They knew they had alien life form on the ship but that had to wait cuz the old dude who was hiding (god knows why) was about to meet his creator...?
And note to Charlize, when the giant space ship is rolling down the hill after you, don't try to outrun it. Run sideways. Silly blonde.
The first part is true, that explanation in particular doesn't fit, but the creator did not seem too impressed that the first people that came to him were an android and someone seeking immortality (being guided by armed guards). Besides even if he was only in cryro for 2000 years, that is still well short of humanity's existence.
As for the second part, correct me if I am wrong, but did anyone aside from David even know about her pregnancy? Due to his nature, I could see why he didn't bring attention to it after the fact. Although, I do agree that part needed more explanation (like why she didn't warn the crew on her second trip out).
I agree that the whole nonchalant attitude of the crew was a bit off. It would have been far better served with the run time Scott originally wanted, but I still thought the movie was very good even if it could have been split in two parts.
However, like I said just go watch Alien or Aliens and you can find many character motivations or choices that are incredibly stupid. That is a trait that most sci-fi movies have, not just this one. You really can't have a great science fiction movie without a few clueless saps forcing the action.
I didnt get any subtitles when David spoke the language so I could have only assumed he either directly or indirectly said something wrong. I didn't understand/must have missed the part when David already knew how to activate the holographic images and open the door by touching the carvings though.
Just saw the movie. Thought it was pretty good, glad I didn't see any trailers or read any articles about this movie. I really thought I was going to see another space movie directed by Ridley Scott, that was the only reason I needed to go see this.
Not sure why characters making dumb choices is a big deal. If everyone made the smart decision then nothing interesting would have happened, everyone would've just packed up and left. Boring!
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The first part is true, that explanation in particular doesn't fit, but the creator did not seem too impressed that the first people that came to him were an android and someone seeking immortality (being guided by armed guards). Besides even if he was only in cryro for 2000 years, that is still well short of humanity's existence.
Well if he saw the Earth 2000 year ago, all he saw was a bunch of half naked people throwing stones at each other. Not too impressive, i must admit but hardly enough to go on a killing rampage. I mean sure we can guess what was his motive but that's because the movie itself didn't even hint at what his motive might have been.
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As for the second part, correct me if I am wrong, but did anyone aside from David even know about her pregnancy? Due to his nature, I could see why he didn't bring attention to it after the fact. Although, I do agree that part needed more explanation (like why she didn't warn the crew on her second trip out).
After David knocked her out with the sedative and put her on the bed, she woke up and shortly fought with at least two people (don't remember who but I think it was the other scientist chick that was fiddling with the reanimated head) before she ran out the surgery room. No one bothered to chase her and the whole scene was promptly forgotten (until the squid ate the engineer). I am no doctor but if I was on that ship and saw a woman with a fresh C-section that was not (visibly) pregnant the day before, I would probably ask a few question. But then again, I saw the previous Alien movies, unlike the ship crew
Okay, now that we're officially into spoiler zone, here's a few random annoyances.
Major spoilers.
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1) The crew is told they are about to go looking for the an alien intelligent lifeform. Nobody is even moderately excited. Not even when they find proof of an alien and advanced lifeform that has apparently created the human race, no-one really seems to care. Even the archeologists are mostly just disappointed because they are not getting _the_ answers they are looking for. BIGGEST SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY EVER PEOPLE, HELLO!?! How am I supposed to be awed by the idea if the movie itself doesn't really care?
1b) Nitpick: The scientists not even pretending to do any sciency stuff. The biologists doesn't care at all about the dead space jockey. The geologist is not interested in taking any samples. Everyone is just running around like idiots. If they're not even trying with the science stuff, why make them scientists in the first place? (Also, the scientists seem to have a really random skill set.)
2) Vickers tells the archeologists that she is there to make sure they don't contact the aliens and that she has the real power here. Next scene: They spot the alien construction and land right next to it Then everybody basicly just drives inside without anyone knowing anything about what's inside. What the hell? Didn't Vickers just tell them not to approach any aliens? Why isn't Vickers saying anything about this? Why isn't anybody? Apparently that first scene just never happened.
In the end the whole point of Vickers being there (as she explicitly explained it) is simply ignored. This is seriously among the worst continuity errors I have ever seen in any kind of a movie.
2b) Nitpick: "Possible destruction to underground structures due to a huge spaceship landing" anyone? Is that really the way you'd approach an unkown civilization or even remnants of it? That's the way these semi-pilgrims are going to meet their maker, literally? Oh please.
(Also, Vickers tells the captain to close the door when the storm rises. Doesn't. Never mentioned again. I guess she meant "don't close the door until they are inside". She's such a badass authority figure.)
2c) Nitpick: I don't mind that they found the alien structure right away. Could've been fixed with one line of referring to some kind of a search but what ever. What annoys me is that once they find that one structure, they forget that there's the whole rest of the moon out there. Which wouldn't be as annoying if the rest of the moon didn't exist for the purpose of the movie. But in the end it does exist because apparently there are other ships. Btw, why is that? What happened to those? The same thing that on this one? At the same time?
3) Map-making geologist getting lost despite having said map and having perfect communications with the mainship already discussed. But how about the biologist? When told there is a possible alien lifeform a kilometer away to the west, he says it's best to go further away. Okay, he's scared and cautious, fair enough. In his next scene he wants to pet unkown alien snake things? W. T. F.
3b) These are the best guys they could find for a trillion dollar space expedition? Oh please.
3c) Nitpick: Apparently the big landrover drove itself from the alien site to Prometheus before the storm.
...well, this is about the point where I stopped thinking this movie had a plot. It's about 30 minutes in.
But here's a couple others that stand out. I'm pretty sure this is not comprehensive. I mean I tried to follow the movie, not play "spot the dumb". The dumb just kind of kept leaping at me from the screen.
4) Fight scene with the dead geologist. Bo-ring. Storm scene, bo-ring. (Also, the suits seem to hold up just fine.) Space snake scene, stupid but kind of cool. Giant facehugger, stupid and bo-ring. Vickers and Shaw both not knowing how to turn while running, incredibly stupid and boring except for the laughs. The only solid horror-entertainment scene was the abortion scene.
4a) Nitpick: Once again the big landrover just disappeared after the dead-geologist fight. Only this time it had half the crew inside. What happened to them? (BTW, why the hell did it do the spider-walk? Made no sense and looked dumb.)
4b) Cool abortion scene, kudos. But where did everyone go? Why wasn't anyone following Shaw? Did she punch them all unconscious or something? Why wasn't anyone interested interested in what the thing was inside Shaw? Why doesn't anyone ask her what happened? Why would David initiate an experiment and not follow up on it? It's not like an android would forget.
5) What sense does it make for the engineers to invite humans over to that specific planet? Whether or not it's a bioweapons center or an isolated genetics lab, seems like there's a whole lot that could go wrong with this.
6) Nitpick: Either the surviving engineer took all of five seconds to decide to wipe out all of human race, or he took a 2000 year nap before getting on with the plan that he had already decided on. I guess you could come up with an explanation, but it just seemed dumb while watching it and the movie sure didn't seem like it had any answers.
6a) Nitpick: The engineers have übercool starmaps with holograms you can touch, but their recording technology is black and white, grainy and doesn't have sound? Seems kind of off.
6b) Whine: The engineers were way cooler when they weren't oversized humans with elephant helmets.
7) Nitpick, but unforgivable: They couldn't afford a proper makeup artist for old Weyland?
8) Holy overexposition on the proto-Alien birth scene. Rule #1 of monsters: don't show too much! Also, could they please at least have tried to make the alien look scary?
Note that after all this I'm still giving it 2 out of 5.
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Just saw the movie. Thought it was pretty good, glad I didn't see any trailers or read any articles about this movie. I really thought I was going to see another space movie directed by Ridley Scott, that was the only reason I needed to go see this.
Not sure why characters making dumb choices is a big deal. If everyone made the smart decision then nothing interesting would have happened, everyone would've just packed up and left. Boring!
I understand that characters have to make a bad choice in order for #### to hit the fan. In Alien they made the dumb move of opening the door. The reason I found it so distracting in Prometheus is the sheer number of stupid decisions and ones that just don't make any sense.
You look at the geologist and his buddy. They freak out at the sight of the headless engineer. They are so terrified that they have to leave. Forget about how they get lost. They end up trapped inside this structure and decide they'll spend the night in the one place they were afraid to even go near? Come on. That's bull####. There is absolutely no reason for them to want/have to go back to that room. They could have just made their way towards the entrance and waited for the storm to clear.
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Uh, it makes a great deal of sense to stay in that room considering they know they can be found in the morning by staying there. Also they already know what exactly is in there, which differs from what else could be residing elsewhere if they decided to take shelter elsewhere (like a pile of alien corpses with their chests blown out). And if they stay near the entrance where they came in the sand storm could be an issue for them.
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The planet is LV223...Leviticus 22:3
"Say to them: 'For the generations to come, if any of your descendants is ceremonially unclean and yet comes near the sacred offerings that the Israelites consecrate to the LORD, that person must be cut off from my presence. I am the LORD.
Like what was said before, nearly all sci-to movies aren't believable. Look at Terminator 2, the T1000 should have killed Sarah and John Connor within 1 second of locating them. Gees, turn into longer sword and stab them, or crash the helicopter into them.
