Election's Canada investigating "Robocall" Guelph Riding (and other ridings).

[old-fart]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...#ixzz1nykbQSMy

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...00-complaints/

These articles might have been posted previously, sorry for the fata.

I absolutely love the first comment in the second link you provided. Love it!

All internet services, both wired and wireless, runs threw CSIS in Canada !"ALL" operating systems like Windows/Lynux/Apple etc. sends out remote access invitesto CSIS, were CSIS then bridges and "back webs" the signal to everyonesservers !......This makes CSIS the ADMINISTRATOR or everyones computers,allowing CSIS to spy on everyone 24/7 since 1995........thats spying withoutCanadians knowledge/permission and warrants !!! Thats why CSIS wanteda majority government, so they could get THEIR Bill C-30 passed ....henceCSIS's robo calling......to get what they want !!! CSIS is doing illegal and criminal activities here in Canada !They are TERRORIZING me daily after deleting/editing/ and plantingevidence against me in a court of law !.......Daily now, they crash my computer, shut off my power, shut off my phone, tap my phone,and spy on me 24/7 with Bill Gates' SPYNET...called Windows OS !!!...yes......Microsoft is SPYNET !......and its world wide ! They know now that I know how they are spying on everyone 24/7 since 1995.
CSIS is "remote accessing" everyone's computers....and CSIS is "remote accessing" everyone's cell phones !!! CSIS did the robo calling, thats why Harper and all the other parties don't know about it !CSIS wanted ...and got....a majority government to get THEIR BILL C-30 passed !....thats why MP Vic Toews doesn't know whats in the bill !!!
I believe that our last Federal election was all rigged by CSIS !!!I believe that CSIS remote accessed Election Canadas computers and changed the vote count.....before the count was sent to the media.....
I DON"T believe that Harper got a majority !I DON"T believe that the NDP got that many seats !and I DON"T believe that the BLOC got wiped out !!!
Elections Canada needs to do a "voting ballot recount" Canada wideand keep those records of the recount on paper, so CSIS CAN"T remote accessthe numbers on Election Canada's computers to change them again !I believe that everyone would see a complete and different electoral outcome !!Canada needs to discuss CSIS, with "ALL" Canadians involved !None of us should be terrorized by CSIS.......what they are doing is illegal/criminal/ and just wrong !....We need another Federal election ....this timewithout CSIS's interferance or criminal activity !!! Lloyd PletzRegina , Sask.306-347-0058thatguys1@yahoo.com

This is bringing out the frootloops in full force!

Perhaps he shouldn't use "lynux" so they can't backtrace him. He dun goofed!

[Slava]

I don't know who this guy is, nor how accurate this is. Apparently he's a journalist and if this is accurate its fairly compelling evidence. http://www.expressottawa.ca/Article-...#extra_content

[old-fart]

It is compelling evidence that ridings in Quebec paid RMG for call center services, but not at all that they were part of some in out scam (that is pure speculation) or that any of that money paid for any "robo calls" that misdirected voters to the wrong polling station in Quebec or anywhere else.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by old-fart

It is compelling evidence that ridings in Quebec paid RMG for call center services, but not at all that they were part of some in out scam (that is pure speculation) or that any of that money paid for any "robo calls" that misdirected voters to the wrong polling station in Quebec or anywhere else.

Save for the part that the ridings don't seem to know what they provided cheque for $15k for. That's questionable right there, regardless of whether the calls were dirty or not!

[old-fart]

There are quotes from two ridings in that article who claim that they either don't remember what specifically RMG did or that they aren't sure if they got their monies worth. In an election campaign that was almost a year ago.

That's a smoking gun for sure.

I'd think there is at least a decent chance that RMG made calls into the riding as part of a national campaign strategy. Further, I'd bet that the Liberals and NDP had similar campaigns, with similar funds being charged to local ridings, and that there are probably people involved in those campaigns that aren't sure if they got their monies worth, especially if they didn't win said election.

Someone once said "make a complaint to Elections Canada then, see what they do with it". I assume you have done so?

[Slava]

I've worked on enough campaigns to know that if you spent $15k (from a budget that is roughly $50-70k) you know darn well what that paid for. Its not like this is a tiny little $100 expenditure. For a 1/4 of the budget you know what you were buying!

I'm not making a complaint because I'm not really privy to the information. I just posted an article. I have better things to do with my time (such as arguing on CP!) than formulate challenges to the CPC about some riding that I couldn't point to on a map, about an issue that I have no proof for.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by old-fart

There are quotes from two ridings in that article who claim that they either don't remember what specifically RMG did or that they aren't sure if they got their monies worth. In an election campaign that was almost a year ago.

That's a smoking gun for sure.

I'd think there is at least a decent chance that RMG made calls into the riding as part of a national campaign strategy. Further, I'd bet that the Liberals and NDP had similar campaigns, with similar funds being charged to local ridings, and that there are probably people involved in those campaigns that aren't sure if they got their monies worth, especially if they didn't win said election.

Someone once said "make a complaint to Elections Canada then, see what they do with it". I assume you have done so?

I am not sure how closely you follow politics, but the allegations in that article are the money laundering scheme all over again, if they are true they are illegal and those that committed them face jail time. I am pretty sure the candidate and the official agent might know what was going on. I hope Elections Canada gets the phone records from the Tories (at this time Harper is refusing to release these records) because if a single call was made into a riding other than that riding that paid for the calls that would be a criminal violation of the Elections Act. It would be nice if Steve would be more forthcoming, it is time for Canadians to Demand Better.

[Smartcar]

You'd think they'd have learned, but apparently not. I wonder why they decided to drop the SCC appeal.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...ervatives.html

[Jacks]

Interesting read
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...ine-robocalls/

Maybe the people who had already convicted Racknine might want to consider that fair trial thing after all.

[Jacks]

Looks like tomorrow may be the big day for Pierre Poutine?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03...e-robocalls-3/

[Jacks]

31,000 complaints? oops, make that 700

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2370681/

Elections Canada has had 31,000 “contacts” from Canadians in recent weeks on robo-calls. But the agency has revealed the majority were form letters rather than specific complaints.
Mr. Mayrand said in fact the watchdog has now collected 700 similar allegations.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm glad they're trying to keep the investigation out of the press.

But now I have to wonder, how many of those complaints are around the use of robodialers for the pre-recorded message from the Liberal Candidate.

Do they have to now look at possible links between the Liberal and NDP parties and these groups that were sending in these form letters enmasse.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm glad they're trying to keep the investigation out of the press.

But now I have to wonder, how many of those complaints are around the use of robodialers for the pre-recorded message from the Liberal Candidate.

Do they have to now look at possible links between the Liberal and NDP parties and these groups that were sending in these form letters enmasse.

Time for a public inquiry to allow Harper to get to the bottom of these Liberal misdeeds. He has said repeatedly that they called and misdirected their own voters, time for him to find Gomery to clear his good name.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by EdWard

Time for a public inquiry to allow Harper to get to the bottom of these Liberal misdeeds. He has said repeatedly that they called and misdirected their own voters, time for him to find Gomery to clear his good name.

Are all of the 700 complaints go to the specific redirection of the voter?

We have two possible call scandals. One involving the Liberal Party Worker not identifying herself as a Liberal Party worker and using a false name, that's also against the Election act.

We have the misdirection of voters, but how many of those 700 calls go specifically to that.

We know that there were various groups that were spamming the investigation with these 31000 claims in Canada and the U.S., some with connections to political parties via former party members, should that not be investigated too.

There's a whole lotta sh%t going on here, they might as well investigate all of them.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Are all of the 700 complaints go to the specific redirection of the voter?

We have two possible call scandals. One involving the Liberal Party Worker not identifying herself as a Liberal Party worker and using a false name, that's also against the Election act.

We have the misdirection of voters, but how many of those 700 calls go specifically to that.

We know that there were various groups that were spamming the investigation with these 31000 claims in Canada and the U.S., some with connections to political parties via former party members, should that not be investigated too.

There's a whole lotta sh%t going on here, they might as well investigate all of them.

Sure, the false name is against the act and should be investigated. Are the CPCers ever going to release their information? Re-directing voters and posing as Elections Canada is far more egregious!

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Are all of the 700 complaints go to the specific redirection of the voter?

We have two possible call scandals. One involving the Liberal Party Worker not identifying herself as a Liberal Party worker and using a false name, that's also against the Election act.

We have the misdirection of voters, but how many of those 700 calls go specifically to that.

We know that there were various groups that were spamming the investigation with these 31000 claims in Canada and the U.S., some with connections to political parties via former party members, should that not be investigated too.

There's a whole lotta sh%t going on here, they might as well investigate all of them.

We also have the fake bank account in Fantino's riding, the 3000 voters in Eglington Lawrence that registered and voted without a residence, the NDP voter fraud allegations in Scarborough. It is time for a public inquiry. We all know Steve could not have done anything wrong, he said it was the Liberals and the public needs to see the process and be a part of the process.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't know I'm still unclear on the information that the investigation is looking for

[EddyBeers]

I missed the calls into Cotler's riding, the failure of the Tories to properly record election expenses, teh 15K that Quebec ridings paid that they do not believe they received anything for in return. It is time for Steve to have a public inquiry to show that it was the Liberals who did all of this.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by EdWard

We also have the fake bank account in Fantino's riding, the 3000 voters in Eglington Lawrence that registered and voted without a residence, the NDP voter fraud allegations in Scarborough. It is time for a public inquiry. We all know Steve could not have done anything wrong, he said it was the Liberals and the public needs to see the process and be a part of the process.

And because it was clearly the Liberals behind it, he should call it now and finish off the Liberals in time for the next election. He coule even pose on the HMCS Bonaventure (probably a replica I guess) and have that "mission accomplished" banner!

If its everyone else then why would he possibly be dragging his feet?

[CaptainCrunch]

I didin't fricken say that it was everyone else, but there are a whole lot of different accusations flying around, there was a whole lot of complaints stuffing happening.

I completely agree if there's information to be released then release it, but is the investigation even at that point if they're now talking about filtering 30,000 complaints down to 700.

It would be nice to know the breakdown of the 700 complaints as well and how many are specific to the misdirection of voters.

There are three seperate issues happening, and two of them involve breaking election canada rules, if your going to hammer one party on it, then you have to hammer both parties on it.

And since the groups that were sending complaints in have connections to the NDP for example then isn't there an obligation to look at that.

There are lots of failures involved here they all have to be investigated.