Oslo Bombing *Updated in first post*

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Luder

Yes, I read that part, but is owning a company all you need to have access to that much explosives?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by puckluck

NSFW

http://politicons.net/breaking-name-...%80%A6-photos/


UPDATE: The gunman reportedly had his own company, dealing with geofarming, which would explain access to explosives.
We’ve removed photos of his family, we agree with the user comments.

UPDATE: He has a Twitter account here. He has only one tweet that reads: One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.

A Wikipedia page has been created about him.
UPDATE: According to Norwegian broadcaster TV… Breivik is a freemason.


What I find disturbing is that this guy had easy access to that much explosives.

That photo is incredibly scary, you can see someone in their own pool of blood to the side, and the guy at the edge of the picture looks like he's begging for his life. Good lord.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How can one be both a "christian" and a freemason?

Didnt think the two could exist in the same line of thinking.

Why not? Free masonry isn't a religion.

[Thor]

Any farmer will tell you, terrorism is pretty easy.

Which really means, we are lucky there are so few attacks all things considered. At least in the west we have few crackpots that decide to blow shi*t up, where as in 2/3rd world countries those numbers are much higher, but with much less access to the materials and know how.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How can one be both a "christian" and a freemason?

Didnt think the two could exist in the same line of thinking.

Freemasonry is not a religion. In fact, it was one of the first clubs to accept people of all religions (well the monotheistic ones anyways).

Christians, Jews, and Muslims can all be freemasons.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How can one be both a "christian" and a freemason?

Didnt think the two could exist in the same line of thinking.

Mason's have to admit that there is a supreme being or higher power, not necessarily "God", but you get the gist.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

That photo is incredibly scary, you can see someone in their own pool of blood to the side, and the guy at the edge of the picture looks like he's begging for his life. Good lord.

Thanks, I didn't even see that picture. Removed the link.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by transplant99

How can one be both a "christian" and a freemason?

Didnt think the two could exist in the same line of thinking.

As an Oddfellow I can tell you catagorically that a big chunk of our and the masons ritual is very christian.

In fact I would go so far as to say it would be hard to be a mason if you weren't, it is in theory open to Jews and Muslims etc, but these were all rituals worked out by mostly devout protestants in the UK in the 17th century and there tends to be a lot of biblical allegories in there.

[Luder]

Originally Posted by puckluck

Yes, I read that part, but is owning a company all you need to have access to that much explosives?

Im guessing farmer = easy access to diesel and fertilizer similar to McVeigh and his cohort.

[Thor]

If you haven't seen, video immediately following the blast.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...ombe/17419976/

[Thor]

ok no more updates from me, I'm off to a party.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Thor

If you haven't seen, video immediately following the blast.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...ombe/17419976/

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Thor

If you haven't seen, video immediately following the blast.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/22/n...ombe/17419976/

Thats a big effing bomb, and planted outside would be my guess.

[Hilch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Thats a big effing bomb, and planted outside would be my guess.

It will be interesting to see if there are any CCTV videos being close to government buildings.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by puckluck

So it turns out he is a Christian, and probably not related to any Islamic terrorist groups.

I can't wait until CalgaryBorn comes back to this thread.

Why? Just because this guy now appears to not be Muslim it in no way lessens the threat fundamental Islam represents. Nor does it change the fact that they appear to be very comfortable worshiping and studying in so called moderate muslim mosques.

Furthermore it wasn't I that reported that the attack was carried out by Muslims.

As far as this fellow being Christian; even if it is true that won't make him a Christian terrorist unless he did it for religious reasons.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Why? Just because this guy now appears to not be Muslim it in no way lessens the threat fundamental Islam represents. Nor does it change the fact that they appear to be very comfortable worshiping and studying in so called moderate muslim mosques.

Furthermore it wasn't I that reported that the attack was carried out by Muslims.

As far as this fellow being Christian; even if it is true that won't make him a Christian terrorist unless he did it for religious reasons.

You had no problem assuming that it was a muslim and he did it for religious reasons right?

So now you only question the motives after it was found out he was Christian? And for the record I don't thnk religion played any part in this attack, but it makes you look like a hypocrite. You know a muslim can also attack without having religious reasons?

Anyways, I'm done with you in this thread as I've read your past posts in other threads and there is no getting through to you.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As an Oddfellow I can tell you catagorically that a big chunk of our and the masons ritual is very christian.

In fact I would go so far as to say it would be hard to be a mason if you weren't, it is in theory open to Jews and Muslims etc, but these were all rituals worked out by mostly devout protestants in the UK in the 17th century and there tends to be a lot of biblical allegories in there.

I've read a bit about freemasons. The Muslims have some simular and some different rituals. The Scottish rite is a little different as well.

I seriously doubt that his involvment in masonary has anything to do with his motives for his crimes.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You had no problem assuming that it was a muslim and he did it for religious reasons right?

So now you only question the motives after it was found out he was Christian? And for the record I don't thnk religion played any part in this attack, but it makes you look like a hypocrite. You know a muslim can also attack without having religious reasons?

Anyways, I'm done with you in this thread as I've read your past posts in other threads and there is no getting through to you.

I fail to see the problem with assuming a terrorist attack is caused by muslim terrorists and not assuming a christian carrying out a bombing is religiously motivated. You're too idealistic if you purely separate thought like that while ignoring recent history.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by nik-

I fail to see the problem with assuming a terrorist attack is caused by muslim terrorists and not assuming a christian carrying out a bombing is religiously motivated. You're too idealistic if you purely separate thought like that while ignoring recent history.

Because if you honestly believe all terrorist attacks are caused by religion then you would be wrong.

There are reasons behind every attack, right or wrong. These guys just don't kill people to go to heaven to get their 72 virgins or whatever it is. I'm sure some do, and I'm sure others are so mad about how they've been treated in Iraq, Afghanistan.. having their land stolen..etc that they want to act out and get what they perceive as revenge. Religion wouldn't play a role in those attacks, but all you hear in the media is Islamic terrorists because the guy has a beard and is easily recognizeable as a muslim.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You had no problem assuming that it was a muslim and he did it for religious reasons right?

So now you only question the motives after it was found out he was Christian? And for the record I don't thnk religion played any part in this attack, but it makes you look like a hypocrite. You know a muslim can also attack without having religious reasons?

Anyways, I'm done with you in this thread as I've read your past posts in other threads and there is no getting through to you.

In post #44 it was reported that a Muslim extremist group was taking credit for the violence. Muslims have threatened Norway with terrorist acts in the name of their religion recently.

The difference is that there is no mandate within Christian scriptures to take up an armed stuggle against non-christians or those who offend us. Moreover I don't know of any Christian group that claims they have been commanded by God to kill for him. You can't say the same about Islam.