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Old 11-13-2025, 08:30 PM   #12501
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If I’m Conroy, and the Leafs are banging down my door for Andersson, I’m using that desperation to leverage pressure on the other teams that want him to step up and make their best offers now as he won’t make it to the deadline. This is assuming the leafs have offered something Conroy is considering, rather than laughing at.

Either way, I’m betting more than a few teams will beat the Leafs best offers, and Treliving will be a bridesmaid once again
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As a rental alone he's worth more than Toronto is allegedly offering, which is why I dont buy it.
Exactly. I think he’s likely worth a late 1st + 3rd + B-level prospect. Would think the flames could get that at the deadline so I would hope the flames could get more than that to justify trading him early in the season.
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Old 11-13-2025, 08:36 PM   #12503
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The first-rounder is the most important asset I would want coming back- without that, move on IMO. Having to wait until 2028 is about as useful as another hole in the head, but at least it's a first.
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Macelli seems decent but it would definitely indicate that they are trying to "go for it"
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Old 11-13-2025, 08:42 PM   #12505
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Macelli seems decent but it would definitely indicate that they are trying to "go for it"
I don’t agree. The Flames will likely have to take a good chunk of salary back in an Andersson trade to the leafs. I highly doubt it would be an indication that they are going for it, just that they have to. Can always flip him or another winger at the deadline for more assets.
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Old 11-13-2025, 08:47 PM   #12506
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Maybe I am wrong, but I don't know if Andersson will net a big return if not a trade and sign.

I'd be ecstatic to get a 1st, but I see some people want a lot more than that. We got a 2nd and Grushnikov for Tanev. We got a 1st and 3rd for Hanifin who is better, but he also indicated he wanted to go Vegas. They knew they would be able to re sign him.

I just don't know if you're getting a similar package if Andersson might not re sign with the Leafs.
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Old 11-13-2025, 08:47 PM   #12507
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If the prospect is Cowan, then the value is not that far off.
Cowan is a 1st round prospect and his value hasnt decreased since he was drafted.


X2 2nd + Cowan + Macelli is in the range of fair.
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Old 11-13-2025, 08:47 PM   #12508
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Maccelli is more of what the Flames already have. A mid 20s, middle six left shot winger.

By the time the Flames are ready to compete, he won't be around.
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Maccelli is more of what the Flames already have. A mid 20s, middle six left shot winger.

By the time the Flames are ready to compete, he won't be around.
I've always thought of him as being soft as butter. Good skill and playmaking ability though, I guess.
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:07 PM   #12510
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Maccelli is more of what the Flames already have. A mid 20s, middle six left shot winger.

By the time the Flames are ready to compete, he won't be around.
Yeah I don't think this team needs a second Sharangovich and that's all Maccelli is
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:51 PM   #12511
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I don't think we should hope for a 1a prospect and multiple picks, but if that was the return for Andersson, I would be outraged. Just wait until closer to the deadline if that was the case. I also don't think Toronto is a good trading partner.
I don’t doubt that was Brad’s offer. It’s stupid, time wasting, borderline insulting and allows him to have a shrugging shoulders dumb face press conference where he says he was in on it.

We have nothing to worry about. That offer tweeted can’t possibly be the winning bid at the Rasmus auction.

Enoch Root’s is closer to what TOR would have to cough up for Ras.

A 2028 1st is good because it spreads players out and TOR’s looming GMBT initiated implosion make that pick lottery eligible almost certainly.
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The first-rounder is the most important asset I would want coming back- without that, move on IMO. Having to wait until 2028 is about as useful as another hole in the head, but at least it's a first.
The Toronto 2028 1st would actually be enticing for me...
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The first-rounder is the most important asset I would want coming back- without that, move on IMO. Having to wait until 2028 is about as useful as another hole in the head, but at least it's a first.

For me, it depends on how you view Toronto. If you think they will continue being a good team, I think Toronto makes terrible trade partners. However, if you think they are about to crash and burn in the next couple of seasons, then I can't think of another first from any other team that I would more for 2028 or 2029. It is a roll of the dice.


Plus, it would be AWESOME to stick Treliving with the worry hanging over him about conditions on the pick for a few seasons like he made us sweat over! LoL
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For me, it depends on how you view Toronto. If you think they will continue being a good team, I think Toronto makes terrible trade partners. However, if you think they are about to crash and burn in the next couple of seasons, then I can't think of another first from any other team that I would more for 2028 or 2029. It is a roll of the dice.


Plus, it would be AWESOME to stick Treliving with the worry hanging over him about conditions on the pick for a few seasons like he made us sweat over! LoL
Tre likely won't be the GM in 28 or 29 so what does he care. Having to wait that long for the pick hurts the value of the pick IMO. Also the pick will be protected so any dreams of first overall with Toronto sucking aren't really realistic.
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:24 PM   #12515
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When did they get the HIGH first for Hanifin?
to be fair we have no idea...it could be 1st-32nd. Vegas isn't looking so hot without Stone in the lineup
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Toronto is not a good trade partner (as many have said)...and a 27 1st would be the furthest out they should go.
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A '28 first rounder is worth less than a first rounder in 26 or 27. But if Brad adds his 2nd rounder from 27 them I'm OK with that.
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As a rental alone he's worth more than Toronto is allegedly offering, which is why I dont buy it.
Agreed. As mentioned elsewhere, GMCC should use the news that the Leafs are in the mix to drive up prices and otherwise ignore them.

With Kuznetsov looking pretty good thus far in his rookie season, the shopping list for the Flames really focuses down to good C prospects and not much else.

The teams that are currently on the bubble (or outside of the playoff picture) are the teams that were previously identified as needing a RD upgrade and might move for Andersson earlier in the season to try and get help securing a playoff berth: Red Wings, Mammoth, Sharks, Blue Jackets, Leafs, VGK.

Teams that are more likely to wait for the Trade Deadline as things are looking good right now: Bruins, 'Canes, Stars

Ignore calls from the Leafs and Knights and try to move Andersson to one of those other teams in the first list. Also, let the teams in the second list know that if they wait too long, their options for a RD upgrade will disappear.

There are a couple of good C prospects in those teams, so the question will become: how to get a C instead of a collection of assets that matches what the Flames are plentiful on?

The Mammoth are potentially the best trade partner for the Flames getting a good young C but may also be the least desperate to upgrade their RD long term. Then again, they might be desperate in the short term with Durzi on the IR?
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Old 11-14-2025, 01:10 AM   #12519
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I don’t doubt that was Brad’s offer. It’s stupid, time wasting, borderline insulting and allows him to have a shrugging shoulders dumb face press conference where he says he was in on it.

We have nothing to worry about. That offer tweeted can’t possibly be the winning bid at the Rasmus auction.

Enoch Root’s is closer to what TOR would have to cough up for Ras.

A 2028 1st is good because it spreads players out and TOR’s looming GMBT initiated implosion make that pick lottery eligible almost certainly.
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For me, it depends on how you view Toronto. If you think they will continue being a good team, I think Toronto makes terrible trade partners. However, if you think they are about to crash and burn in the next couple of seasons, then I can't think of another first from any other team that I would more for 2028 or 2029. It is a roll of the dice.


Plus, it would be AWESOME to stick Treliving with the worry hanging over him about conditions on the pick for a few seasons like he made us sweat over! LoL
Very good points that I didn’t even think of….
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Tre likely won't be the GM in 28 or 29 so what does he care. Having to wait that long for the pick hurts the value of the pick IMO. Also the pick will be protected so any dreams of first overall with Toronto sucking aren't really realistic.

True, Treliving will likely be gone by then - even as soon as the next off-season.


However, the pick would be 2028 protected, which would open up a 2029 unprotected pick. I don't hate it. It is a gamble. If you figure Toronto will be good, then that's a terrible return given the wait. However, if Toronto is set to fall, that could be a top 5 pick. That's the gamble. I can understand why some people would still hate it. Potentially adding a top 5 pick for the 2029-30 season when the team should be competing would be something.
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