American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Drak

I think the Epstein stuff does matter. It might not matter to MAGA cultists and it likely won’t get Trump kicked out of office, but it matters to the rest of us and it matters to history.

If it mattered to people who weren't cultists it would have mattered in 2016, or in 2024. If you can't already make up your mind about Trump's relationship with Epstein without seeing actual documentation of underage sex trafficking, then you just have your head in the sand.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Sidney Crosby's Hat

Eventually, the housing market will crash (maybe not in mega markets like NYC, Toronto or Vancouver). But in most of Canada and the U.S. when the boomers are mostly gone and there's nobody to buy their properties, it'll come down substantially.

Nah.

Big investors are already hoovering up increasingly large portions of the housing market, and that's gonna continue. They can afford to buy up any extra housing if it looks like the prices would drop.

Owning your own place is just not gonna be a thing for much longer for anyone but the rich.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Coach

If it mattered to people who weren't cultists it would have mattered in 2016, or in 2024. If you can't already make up your mind about Trump's relationship with Epstein without seeing actual documentation of underage sex trafficking, then you just have your head in the sand.

They absolutely have their heads in the sand, but for whatever reason, the Epstein thing is part of the MAGA core culture whereby they can't seem to shut off their blinders for it and get really animated about this particular human horror show. I don't know why it's different from all the other examples, but it is... Which is why the Nancy Maces and MTGs of the party have been loudly in favour of releasing the files to a point where they want to be directly associated with the release of said files.

It's possible that'll change, of course - I can see a world where the files come out and they've either been scrubbed of anything DJT related, and MAGA-world simply accepts that, or the content isn't like... actual proof of child molestation but just weird creepy sex pest #### that isn't explicitly illegal, and they look the other way. But for whatever reason this does seem like it could actually be an Achilles heel in the Teflon coating as far as his base goes. I mean there's a reason they've gone to such lengths to avoid putting it to a vote.

[puffnstuff]

Johnson will finally be swearing in the new Congressperson from Az today, the needed last vote to release all the files.

...and one of the Rs set to vote for it is reportedly changing her vote now.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Johnson will finally be swearing in the new Congressperson from Az today, the needed last vote to release all the files.

...and one of the Rs set to vote for it is reportedly changing her vote now.

Wow, it sucks to be Venzuela right now.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Wow, it sucks to be Venzuela right now.

Meh, the files aren't gonna be released no matter what the congress says.

[puffnstuff]

Its not like they said they'd release them... oh wait

https://bsky.app/profile/zeteo.com/post/3m5h4lcorsc2s

[Drak]

Nothing says I’m innocent like making frantic calls and setting up meetings with Mace and Bobo to get them to change their vote on releasing the Epstein files and blasting out stuff like this:

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

They absolutely have their heads in the sand, but for whatever reason, the Epstein thing is part of the MAGA core culture whereby they can't seem to shut off their blinders for it and get really animated about this particular human horror show. I don't know why it's different from all the other examples, but it is... Which is why the Nancy Maces and MTGs of the party have been loudly in favour of releasing the files to a point where they want to be directly associated with the release of said files.

It's possible that'll change, of course - I can see a world where the files come out and they've either been scrubbed of anything DJT related, and MAGA-world simply accepts that, or the content isn't like... actual proof of child molestation but just weird creepy sex pest #### that isn't explicitly illegal, and they look the other way. But for whatever reason this does seem like it could actually be an Achilles heel in the Teflon coating as far as his base goes. I mean there's a reason they've gone to such lengths to avoid putting it to a vote.

To the first bolded point, yes they can ignore it and already do, that's my point. There is no new information on this that wasn't available during either of his election campaigns. As per the second point, we are already at that state. If the current state of evidence is not enough to get the head out of the sand, why would heavily redacted documents that none of these people will even read and can be easily dismissed as fake anyways?

They either dissociate mentally from that reality, or they justify it by both siding it as if democrats care if Gates or Clinton are also exposed, and there's a subset that actually thinks this is okay as evidenced by trying to break down women's rights and actively protecting/ignoring this information. I think there is also a subset of that group that actually want to keep this under wraps and continuing so when/if they are ever in a similar power position, they can participate as well.

[troutman]

Remember Marjorie said she would be prepared to read out a list provided by the victims if the files are not released.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

They absolutely have their heads in the sand, but for whatever reason, the Epstein thing is part of the MAGA core culture whereby they can't seem to shut off their blinders for it and get really animated about this particular human horror show. I don't know why it's different from all the other examples, but it is... Which is why the Nancy Maces and MTGs of the party have been loudly in favour of releasing the files to a point where they want to be directly associated with the release of said files.

It's possible that'll change, of course - I can see a world where the files come out and they've either been scrubbed of anything DJT related, and MAGA-world simply accepts that, or the content isn't like... actual proof of child molestation but just weird creepy sex pest #### that isn't explicitly illegal, and they look the other way. But for whatever reason this does seem like it could actually be an Achilles heel in the Teflon coating as far as his base goes. I mean there's a reason they've gone to such lengths to avoid putting it to a vote.

The other one that Trump was never able to shake is he was pro-vaccine and his cult was very much anti vaccine. He basically had to change his stance somewhat.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Johnson will finally be swearing in the new Congressperson from Az today, the needed last vote to release all the files.

...and one of the Rs set to vote for it is reportedly changing her vote now.

Changing her vote to now not allow the release? So they'll continue to be blocked?

[missdpuck]

I’ve heard they’re not allowed to change their votes, but sure seems like they can with this
Regime.

Mace is probably having one her breakdowns. Bet she’ll fold.

[puffnstuff]

From the New York Times story on the pressure campaign to get Republicans to reverse their epstein vote

Top officials met in the White House Situation Room on Wednesday with Representative Lauren Boebert, a Colorado Republican who is backing an effort to force a House vote on whether to demand the release of the files.
She was summoned to sit down with top Justice Department and F.B.I. officials, according to two people familiar with the matter. One of the people said the session included Attorney General Pam Bondi and F.B.I. Director Kash Patel.
Both people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on the private discussions.

[Dion]

Boebert is not removing her name from the list

At Wednesday’s meeting, Boebert was not persuaded to remove her name despite the White House effort, said one of the sources who requested anonymity to discuss a confidential meeting. FBI Director Kash Patel was among those at the meeting, the source said, noting that Trump was not present. But Trump did call the Colorado congresswoman on Tuesday, said two sources familiar with the call who requested anonymity to discuss a private discussion.

During that conversation, Trump tried to encourage Boebert to remove her name from the discharge petition, which is led by one Republican and one Democrat. Boebert gave the impression that she would not follow suit, the sources said.

While the discharge petition reached the magic number of 218 Wednesday afternoon, floor action will not be immediate. According to House rules, seven legislative days must pass before a member can call the legislation to the floor for a vote. After that, the speaker has to set a vote within two legislative days.

With Thanksgiving recess around the corner, any action on the discharge petition would likely not take place until December.

Even if the House passes the legislation, it is unlikely to be signed into law. The Senate would have to approve the bill, which would be an uphill battle, and Trump can still veto it should the resolution land on his desk.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/news/lau...ion-rcna243594

[Coach]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

I’ve heard they’re not allowed to change their votes, but sure seems like they can with this
Regime.

Mace is probably having one her breakdowns. Bet she’ll fold.

What's stopping them? Good manners?

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by Coach

What's stopping them? Good manners?

The source said there are legal reasons, but I have no idea.

Nothing will happen anyway. Has to go through the Senate.

[chummer]

Gonna be a rough week for Trump.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by chummer

Gonna be a rough week for Trump.

I’d put money on one or multiple of the following happening, an incursion into Venezuela or Nigeria, a national guard deployment to another large democratic city, an arrest of a Biden family member or admin member, a ridiculous tariff announcement, and a travel ban from some country.

[Drak]

The weekend is coming up - the typical time to invade another country.