[PGT] Flames lose 2-1 to Jets

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by timbit

Watch the game…watch the replay of the winning goal.

Reminded of when he gave up in his first year here.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'm starting to wonder how long Huska lasts. Not calling for it, I'm indifferent at this time. But more guessing how ownership and management will react to this situation.

What coach is going to come in and win with this roster? It's one of the worst in the league. This Flames team is the one that most expected last season except Huska played a big role in that team exceeding expectations. This season they aren't getting any timely goals and players are struggling. I don't see any scenario where Huska doesn't return to coach next season.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

This is what grinds my gears, stop re-signing mediocre coaches.

Well unless you plan to tank for a few years, without saying you are going to tank.

[CliffFletcher]

Not gonna lie - when I checked the score and saw the Jets had tied it, I was pleased.

I see the theme for this season is going to be “why aren’t they playing the young guys more!!!”

The fastest way to undermine this re-tool/rebuild will be to rush the young guys. Most prospects will need 50-150 games in the AHL before they’re NHL ready. And once they’re on the NHL roster they’ll get badly exposed and their development derailed if they’re thrown into the deep end. A lot more players have their development ruined by too much too soon than by holding them back. If the Flames do start giving the young guys 20+ minutes a night, it will a sign of reckless desperation by management and coaching - not a good thing.

[MegaErtz]

We're on pace for 129 goals all season. Not acceptable.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not gonna lie - when I checked the score and saw the Jets had tied it, I was pleased.

I see the theme for this season is going to be “why aren’t they playing the young guys more!!!”

The fastest way to undermine this re-tool/rebuild will be to rush the young guys. Most prospects will need 50-150 games in the AHL before they’re NHL ready. And once they’re on the NHL roster they’ll get badly exposed and their development derailed if they’re thrown into the deep end. A lot more players have their development ruined by too much too soon than by holding them back. If the Flames do start giving the young guys 20+ minutes a night, it will a sign of reckless desperation by management and coaching - not a good thing.

Prospects of Parekh's calibre do not play 50-150 games in the AHL

Zary, Klapka, Coronato (already playing 17 mins a night) are not 20 years old. They are 23-25 years old.

Gridin and Honzek are young. I don't mind Gridin getting sent down, but Honzek is playing well enough to get 13-14 mins a night.

This isn't on Huska, this was predicted as an issue by lots of posters all summer long. Too many top 9 forwards and most players are just not getting the ice they deserve. This issue will not go away until a trade is made or multiple injuries happen. Pospisil isn't even playing yet.

[FlamesNightmare]

Woo-Hoo! Keep it goin'!! Team Tank!!! Hahaha

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Prospects of Parekh's calibre do not play 50-150 games in the AHL

Zary, Klapka, Coronato (already playing 17 mins a night) are not 20 years old. They are 23-25 years old.

Gridin and Honzek are young. I don't mind Gridin getting sent down, but Honzek is playing well enough to get 13-14 mins a night.

This isn't on Huska, this was predicted as an issue by lots of posters all summer long. Too many top 9 forwards and most players are just not getting the ice they deserve. This issue will not go away until a trade is made or multiple injuries happen. Pospisil isn't even playing yet.

Good post. I agree with you other than Gridin. He was the one young guy that looks like he could handle being on the big club. Even moreso than Parekh.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

We're on pace for 129 goals all season. Not acceptable.

We are also on pace to go undefeated against the Oilers, acceptable.

[Royle9]

Do we have the ability to sit 3/4 of the team in the popcorn box next game and call up 10 guys from the Wranglers?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Do we have the ability to sit 3/4 of the team in the popcorn box next game and call up 10 guys from the Wranglers?

Seems risky.

Just play the talentless veterans.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Good post. I agree with you other than Gridin. He was the one young guy that looks like he could handle being on the big club. Even moreso than Parekh.

I like Gridin, especially preseason version, but his time with the Flames has been vastly overstated. He was faltering. And his one point game from a very lucky play. He's probably better off lighting it up in the A for a while.

Huska was a junior and minor league head coach for 11 years. It's not like he has no clue how to develop players.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Not gonna lie - when I checked the score and saw the Jets had tied it, I was pleased.

I see the theme for this season is going to be “why aren’t they playing the young guys more!!!”

The fastest way to undermine this re-tool/rebuild will be to rush the young guys. Most prospects will need 50-150 games in the AHL before they’re NHL ready. And once they’re on the NHL roster they’ll get badly exposed and their development derailed if they’re thrown into the deep end. A lot more players have their development ruined by too much too soon than by holding them back. If the Flames do start giving the young guys 20+ minutes a night, it will a sign of reckless desperation by management and coaching - not a good thing.

Hate to break it to you, but “play the vets” strategy isn’t quite bringing the wins / goals.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FBI

Hate to break it to you, but “play the vets” strategy isn’t quite bringing the wins / goals.

Winning isn't really the goal of this season.

[Psytic]

Even if the Flames don't get Mckenna getting someone in the top 5 this year and next goes a long way...I hope they just trade anyone that wants traded but stay the course with Tank Commander Huska. Its already a boring low event team. I dont know how they could squeeze anymore low event blood out of the stone outside of Jaques Lemaire lol.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Flames played well last night, and it was nice to see. They made it almost a coin-flip of a game, but it really isn't a coin-flip since Winnipeg has the firepower, and Calgary doesn't, even if they were missing a couple of bodies, especially with Lowry out of the lineup. Was just nice to see them playing well and have that fire in their game, pun intended.


I am just not sure why there is bickering here. Are we confused about the direction of this team?


I would rather keep as many young players in the AHL as possible for now, and let them build a winning mentality down there. Let the vets play this out.


For me, there are two primary concerns for me this season
1) Development - have the young players in situations that are best for their development.
2) Asset management - Gaudreau, Ferland, Brodie, Wolf, Mangiapane, etc.., Flames have a good history of drafting NHL players with depth picks - sometimes very important difference makers.


This season is likely to see the Flames finish at the bottom of the standings, as last season was. This is the tough part of the schedule, but that's still not exactly an excuse for me. The Flames haven't been playing well - very few complete games. I don't even care if they have out-shot and out-chanced some teams - they need to do this for 60 minutes night in and night out to have a chance, without ever taking their foot off the gas. They haven't done it this year. Not even close. Last night was probably their best effort, top to bottom, on both sides of the puck. Wolf was good too. They still lost, and that's going to happen against good teams regardless, but at least they gave themselves a solid chance to win that game.


November's schedule becomes incredibly easier - Preds, Blue Jackets, Flyers, Blackhawks, Sharks, Sabres and some more lower-tiered teams. I am curious if they will have thrown in the towel by then. Maybe Andersson is traded by then.


Kadri is not playing well, however. While I do not think his value has decreased in such a small sample size, if he keeps playing like this and the sample size grows, there will start to be whispers of "Father time has caught up to Kadri". If those whispers grow to murmurs, that's enough to make most teams cross him off the list of potential acquisitions. Older players will often just hit a wall. I personally think it is simply Kadri being Kadri, but at the same time, I have no idea how close that wall is, or if he has already hit it.


Tough loss, but this is a tough month. Schedule is still fairly tough the rest of the month, so let's see if the Flames can squeak out a win. I imagine they get one against Ottawa, but even then I am not sure. Maybe they only get 1 win all month. That's certainly going to put an end to any playoff hopes, won't it?

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Prospects of Parekh's calibre do not play 50-150 games in the AHL

Zary, Klapka, Coronato (already playing 17 mins a night) are not 20 years old. They are 23-25 years old.

Gridin and Honzek are young. I don't mind Gridin getting sent down, but Honzek is playing well enough to get 13-14 mins a night.

This isn't on Huska, this was predicted as an issue by lots of posters all summer long. Too many top 9 forwards and most players are just not getting the ice they deserve. This issue will not go away until a trade is made or multiple injuries happen. Pospisil isn't even playing yet.

The same Honzek with zero points??
Yes, if you are happy with him being a defensive 4th liner, then keep him here.
If you want him to have any possibility to be a middle six winger, he needs to develop his offense. Send Honzek to the AHL when Pospisil gets back and tell him he isn't coming back until he is a PPG player. With a bit of confidence and development on how to score in the pros, he could actually be a well rounded player. Keep him up and you will have another Farabee.

Bring up Kerins in the mean time, who is ready to contribute and needs to take a step in the pros.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Did anyone notice anybody on the Flames shove anybody on the Jets during any line changes late in the third?

Was the Zary/Namestnikov thing in the 3rd? That is the only one I can think of, but I watched the game in fast forward because I started the day with MNF and the baseball game.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Did anyone notice anybody on the Flames shove anybody on the Jets during any line changes late in the third?

If they did they are lucky that Kevin Bieksa wasn't working this game to overreact to something that happens late in a shift on a line change probably at least once a period!

[troutman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Says the guy who ragged on Giordano constantly.

And thousands of anti Dave Dickenson posts.