[Signing] Nikita Okhotyuk signs 2 year deal with CSKA

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Waste of a 5th in a very Treliving-ish trade. Don’t go down this death by a thousand cuts path again, Flames.

So never trade a draft pick? Ever?

Clearly they felt the player had value that exceeded the value of a 5th round pick so they made the move.

You don't want them making said moves if they feel they're adding value? Or are you saying they knew the player wouldn't work out and they were moving the pick for kicks?

[Locke]

Who?

Okay.

[868904]

He is a very good skater so I can see why they wanted to give him a try, but he had a hard time reading plays and playing within the system.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So never trade a draft pick? Ever?

Clearly they felt the player had value that exceeded the value of a 5th round pick so they made the move.

You don't want them making said moves if they feel they're adding value? Or are you saying they knew the player wouldn't work out and they were moving the pick for kicks?

In this case I don't think that they had enough time to see what the player is. It's compounded by him only playing in 9 games.

I think it would've been a good add in a vacuum. If the Flames didn't just add Pachal, Hanley, Miromanov, Grushnikov, Brzustewicz, and Jurmo, to a prospect pool that already had Poirier, Kuznetsov, and Solovyov. All those players are either in the NHL or are going to be fighting for a spot on the 3rd pairing as soon as next year.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So never trade a draft pick? Ever?

Clearly they felt the player had value that exceeded the value of a 5th round pick so they made the move.

You don't want them making said moves if they feel they're adding value? Or are you saying they knew the player wouldn't work out and they were moving the pick for kicks?

And they were wrong. It was not good value. Thus, it was a bad trade.

The Flames should reflect on this and avoid this mistake from happening again in the future. Pro scouting is always an area that can improve.
It's fine to take swings. But if you miss, it was a bad swing. But at least it can be a learning opportunity.

[neo45]

It’s more concerning that our scouts even identified this guy


Saw nothing but glaringly awful shifts out there. Wasn’t even physical. Lots of bad pinches

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

And they were wrong. It was not good value. Thus, it was a bad trade.

The Flames should reflect on this and avoid this mistake from happening again in the future. Pro scouting is always an area that can improve.
It's fine to take swings. But if you miss, it was a bad swing. But at least it can be a learning opportunity.

I disagree (clearly).

He's a player they identified.
The cost wasn't high.
They thought it was a good gamble.

If you see everything as black and white as you do ... didn't turn out, bad trade ... you won't do another one, and that's not the way to run a hockey team.

I doubt anyone internally said this is a can't miss, future top four, and "they only want a 5th for him?!"

They felt he had upside and it was worth the gamble.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by neo45

It’s more concerning that our scouts even identified this guy


Saw nothing but glaringly awful shifts out there. Wasn’t even physical. Lots of bad pinches

Guessing it's Denis Grebeshkov as the scout.

He was likely behind the Miromanov add, the Grushnikov add, and potentially had something to do with adding Kuzmenko.

Miromanov seems like a win.
Ohotiuk looks like a loss.

They are low odd bets. Getting one or two of them right is proof of the process working in my mind.

[Groot]

If the Flames used a 5th round pick to draft a defenseman that went on to play 67 NHL games before he returned to Russia as a 23-year old while the Flames still retained his rights, that would be a huge win for that pick.

But the Flames traded a draft pick for the exact scenario above so it's a terrible mistake because....reasons.

[lazypucker]

Think of it as a prospect who needs 2 more years in the minors, instead of playing in the AHL, he plays in the KHL...

[GreenLantern2814]

One Flames 5th round pick has played NHL games in the last 14 years - Michael Ferland in 2010.

Before that, you have to go all the way back to Travis Moen in 2000.

Unbunch your collective panties.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Think of it as a prospect who needs 2 more years in the minors, instead of playing in the AHL, he plays in the KHL...

Except...on the tail-end of that isnt he going to be like 29/30? Thats 'career-over' age.

[Buff]

People are upset over trading a 5th round pick? A 5th round pick? That's being petty.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Former second rounder: Was always going to be a reclamation project.

Sometimes they work out, but more often they don't. Wasn't a high price.

[Locke]

So this player I've never heard of and can't spell...but should I be sharpening the pitch-forks and fueling the torches and arranging a march to Conroy's house?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Former second rounder: Was always going to be a reclamation project.

Sometimes they work out, but more often they don't. Wasn't a high price.

It’s the very definition of what people mean when they want to take a flyer or kick the tires on someone. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t. There was a pretty good chance that they were going to try and sneak him down through waivers at the beginning of the season. Now instead, he goes to Russia where he might develop.

A 5th rounder isn’t too much to risk. Whether it’s making the pick or trading it for reclamation player to audition, it’s still basically throwing a dart at the dartboard.

[FurnaceFace]

Originally Posted by Locke

So this player I've never heard of and can't spell...but should I be sharpening the pitch-forks and fueling the torches and arranging a march to Conroy's house?

For some, it is the CP way…or I hope the CP way and not the way they live their entire life.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Not even sweating this. Every move is a gamble.

Just try to limit how frequently these later picks get away from you for no return.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

For some, it is the CP way…or I hope the CP way and not the way they live their entire life.

People just have no appreciation for the costs of pitch-fork sharpening and the outrageous increase in prices for torch oil.

You really need to budget your riots these days or the costs can get out of hand.

Dont even get me started on catering costs!

[Bourque's Twin]

Based on my quick analysis of the draft, about 1-2 players each draft in the 5th round turn into an impact NHLer. It’s probably a 5% chance a 5th rounder turns into an impact NHLer but as a fan you feel like your 5th could be the one to get Kucherov or Johnny but chances are extremely low.