Humboldt Broncos tragedy.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by GGG

His crime was falsifying log books and driving more hours than allowed.

He was an impaired driver who blew a stop sign.

He was never charged with impaired driving so you're wrong here.

[indes]

Complete tragedy all around. Does deportation help anything? No, but even if you didn't have malicious intent, actions have consequences. I'm sure he would still rather be deported than have been on the bus he hit.

[SutterBrother]

Way to destroy one more Canadian kid's life needlessly.

Bravo.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by indes

Complete tragedy all around. Does deportation help anything? No, but even if you didn't have malicious intent, actions have consequences. I'm sure he would still rather be deported than have been on the bus he hit.

Yeah...i heard a brief interview with his attorney before the hearing and he was pretty clear that there was no alternative but to grant the deportation order if the court followed the law. It was as black and white as it gets.

He will be able to appeal though if I understood correctly, so his journey is not necessarily over at this point. I think the decision had to be made in order for the appeals etc to be able to be made. Its only now that his counsel really starts to do their work.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...i heard a brief interview with his attorney before the hearing and he was pretty clear that there was no alternative but to grant the deportation order if the court followed the law. It was as black and white as it gets.

He will be able to appeal though if I understood correctly, so his journey is not necessarily over at this point. I think the decision had to be made in order for the appeals etc to be able to be made. Its only now that his counsel really starts to do their work.

Thanks for sharing this. With the optics of it I figured it was some sort of automatic lawful procedure to get to the next step(s).

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

One father was interviewed on the radio and said it would give his family a little more closure.

So what would give the family more closure if the driver was a Canadian citizen?

It accomplishes nothing but the law is written inherently biased toward non-Canadians in a situation like this. I suspect this individual has taken more responsibility for what happened than a lot of Canadians would. He has shown nothing but remorse for the tragedy.

Not sure if this is the same father I heard on the radio, but he still sounded angry and bitter, which while I would likely be in the same headspace as him if it was me, is also not a reason to deport someone.

The driver was not properly trained. Why is the owner of the company not facing the consequences of that? Our justice system is flawed at best.

[kipperiggy]

Originally Posted by indes

Complete tragedy all around. Does deportation help anything? No, but even if you didn't have malicious intent, actions have consequences. I'm sure he would still rather be deported than have been on the bus he hit.

Yes, and he has already served several years in prison for what happened. Why is our law written such that a non-Canadian has to have more consequences than a Canadian?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Yes, and he has already served several years in prison for what happened. Why is our law written such that a non-Canadian has to have more consequences than a Canadian?

Those of the rights of Canadians (and of any state). Like why does a Canadian get a passport and a non-Canadian doesn't?

Why do we even belong to states and political boundaries is a separate question.

[undercoverbrother]

I am against the deportation.

I'm not sure what is solves.

I just adds another name to the list of those lives damaged/wrecked by this event.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am against the deportation.

I'm not sure what is solves.

I just adds another name to the list of those lives damaged/wrecked by this event.

It solves nothing and only serves to feed & satisfy emotionally potent oversimplification for people who can’t contemplate that incarceration is primarily for public protection and rehabilitation rather that just punishment.

[Engine09]

I'd rather deport those 2 groups of Eritreans who were attacking eachother in the NE with baseball bats and throwing rocks, endangering the public. Anything to do with deliberate violence or weapons, get them out of here.

I can't get too angry with this guy, it's extremely unfortunate and tragic but for this type of crime I don't feel compelled to scream for deportation.

[CedarMeter]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Many or any on record wishing for that?

Chris Joseph and his wife want him gone.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Boreal

It solves nothing and only serves to feed & satisfy emotionally potent oversimplification for people who can’t contemplate that incarceration is primarily for public protection and rehabilitation rather that just punishment.

I think it needs to be clarified that this review and decision was made by the Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB), which is a branch of the general oversight of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC). This deportation ruling has nothing to do with his already concluded criminal trial, whether he is remorseful or not. It has everything to do with the terms and conditions of his PR status being maintained. As mentioned in the article:

An Immigration and Refugee Board hearing for Jaskirat Singh Sidhu announced its decision in a 15-minute virtual hearing.

"I can't consider humanitarian and compassionate factors," Trent Cook from the immigration division of the board, who oversaw the hearing, told Sidhu.

"My sole role today is to make a finding on whether the minister has established the facts that support their allegation that you're inadmissible for serious criminality.

"I am satisfied that the minister's report is well founded.

"I am required by law to issue you with a deportation order."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ring-1.7213657

So this isn't a case of a judge not showing compassion, or a ruling not taking into account his rehabilitation or remorse. That was already covered in the criminal trial. Whatever remorse he showed has nothing to do with how the immigration board makes their decisions. I have learned this the hard way over the years with some of my family overseas trying to immigrate here and my wife's first application. IRCC sees pretty much all cases in black and white; you are either admissible to arrive/stay in Canada, or you have something on your application or current status that makes you inadmissible.

Sidhu's criminal record now makes him inadmissible. As much as I don't support deporting him, it is a pretty easy decision for the IRCC to make based on their policies. Yes, they are often cruel in their rulings. I know of a few families who have been seperated and a single family member sent packing for much less. Honestly I would have been much more surprised if they ruled that he could stay.

[Shazam]

Nah, he can rehabilitate in his home country.

[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Nah, he can rehabilitate in his home country.

He doesn't need to rehabilitate, he's not a violent offender.

[TheIronMaiden]

The whole thing is tragic.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

He doesn't need to rehabilitate, he's not a violent offender.

Ok then, he can learn how to drive in his home country.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

I think it needs to be clarified that this review and decision was made by the Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB), which is a branch of the general oversight of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC). This deportation ruling has nothing to do with his already concluded criminal trial, whether he is remorseful or not. It has everything to do with the terms and conditions of his PR status being maintained. As mentioned in the article:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...ring-1.7213657

So this isn't a case of a judge not showing compassion, or a ruling not taking into account his rehabilitation or remorse. That was already covered in the criminal trial. Whatever remorse he showed has nothing to do with how the immigration board makes their decisions. I have learned this the hard way over the years with some of my family overseas trying to immigrate here and my wife's first application. IRCC sees pretty much all cases in black and white; you are either admissible to arrive/stay in Canada, or you have something on your application or current status that makes you inadmissible.

Sidhu's criminal record now makes him inadmissible. As much as I don't support deporting him, it is a pretty easy decision for the IRCC to make based on their policies. Yes, they are often cruel in their rulings. I know of a few families who have been seperated and a single family member sent packing for much less. Honestly I would have been much more surprised if they ruled that he could stay.

Yup, as soon as he entered a guilty plea this outcome became unavoidable. The law is the law.

Because he accepted responsibility and didn’t waste the courts time and resources he served a jail sentence and now he gets deported. The same outcome as had he pleaded not guilty and been convicted, though he would have had a longer jail sentence in this scenario. Yet hypothetically had he pleaded not guilty and been acquitted he would have served no jail time and been allowed to stay. Not saying deportation is right or wrong but I’m not sure how either outcome is sensible.

On top of all that very little has been done to address the fact that he shouldn’t have been operating the vehicle in the first place, so it’s likely only a matter of time before another bad accident happens. We need better regulations both federally and provincially for anyone who makes a living operating vehicles on public roadways.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Ok then, he can learn how to drive in his home country.

Don’t make posts that make you looks like a Phallushead that lacks empathy

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Yup, as soon as he entered a guilty plea this outcome became unavoidable. The law is the law.

Because he accepted responsibility and didn’t waste the courts time and resources he served a jail sentence and now he gets deported. The same outcome as had he pleaded not guilty and been convicted, though he would have had a longer jail sentence in this scenario. Yet hypothetically had he pleaded not guilty and been acquitted he would have served no jail time and been allowed to stay. Not saying deportation is right or wrong but I’m not sure how either outcome is sensible.

On top of all that very little has been done to address the fact that he shouldn’t have been operating the vehicle in the first place, so it’s likely only a matter of time before another bad accident happens. We need better regulations both federally and provincially for anyone who makes a living operating vehicles on public roadways.

A lot has changed as a result of Humboldt. They increased the barrier of entry by several factors.