ECF: New York Rangers [MET1] vs Florida Panthers [ATL1] - Florida wins 4-2

[gallione11]

Still amazing to me that people root for one Calgary sucks player over another. By my standards, the only non-$#@t-team left is Dallas.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by gallione11

Still amazing to me that people root for one Calgary sucks player over another. By my standards, the only non-$#@t-team left is Dallas.

Broken heart?

[sarge]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Rempe should be in every game.

It wouldn’t suck to see him cave in Cheapshot Bennett’s face.

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Chucky has it all to be a captain in the league.

Listening to him now. Still pisses me off at no end.

Absolute fail by the Flames to let this guy go. When you draft and develop a future captain and elite play driver, you need to do whatever it takes to keep him. Absurd really.

[FanIn80]

In only his second season in Florida, Chucky has almost doubled you-know-who in playoff points, even though you-know-who played there for 10 seasons (4 playoff seasons).

https://twitter.com/user/status/1793511166326513981

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Well yeah, but he's probably played double the games too. Deep playoff runs will do that to your point totals. Huberdeau was on some pretty flawed teams that weren't really ready to compete, and were often out in the first round, but Huberdeau was often one of their best players in the playoffs. Not a fair comparison, IMO.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by browna

Galley never stops talking. SNet needs some better analysts.

Would you want DeBrusk instead? Tomlinson or Millen would be nice to have on instead.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Well yeah, but he's probably played double the games too. Deep playoff runs will do that to your point totals. Huberdeau was on some pretty flawed teams that weren't really ready to compete, and were often out in the first round, but Huberdeau was often one of their best players in the playoffs. Not a fair comparison, IMO.

Not double as a Panther (26 v Tkachuk’s 32). But it’s worth noting that Tkachuk played about the same amount of PO games as Flame (27) as Huberdeau did with Fla and had fewer points (15). People are just super eager to make every thread a Huberdeau thread.

Plus the way I look at that summer, Huberdeau was essentially a Gaudreau replacement, not a Tkachuk replacement. And I suspect their PO points are similar.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Love that opening result. F the Rangers!

Interesting how the Flames are largely responsible for creating this playoff monster in the east. Who would've thought.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Absolute fail by the Flames to let this guy go. When you draft and develop a future captain and elite play driver, you need to do whatever it takes to keep him. Absurd really.

They didn't let him go. He told them he wasn't signing an extension and forced a trade so he could go back to the States. It wasn't like the Phaneuf trade that caught everyone off guard.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inferno

They didn't let him go. He told them he wasn't signing an extension and forced a trade so he could go back to the States. It wasn't like the Phaneuf trade that caught everyone off guard.

Don't you realize that the Flames have absolute control over every player's decisions?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Inferno

They didn't let him go. He told them he wasn't signing an extension and forced a trade so he could go back to the States. It wasn't like the Phaneuf trade that caught everyone off guard.

Sure but his 2nd contract is the one that screwed the team. 3yrs 7M AAV. Treliving completely bungled that which led to the current situation. He should have been sealed up max term on his 2nd deal.

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by heep223

Sure but his 2nd contract is the one that screwed the team. 3yrs 7M AAV. Treliving completely bungled that which led to the current situation. He should have been sealed up max term on his 2nd deal.

Hmmm... You know there are 2 sides in contract negotiations. The other side has to be willing to sign said contract and obviously, in this case, both sides were not.

[kukkudo]

From inside knowledge, Tkachuk wanted the keys. Mitch Marner money (11M AAV) and wanted to be the Captain. Flames were not giving him any of those at that time.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by heep223

Sure but his 2nd contract is the one that screwed the team. 3yrs 7M AAV. Treliving completely bungled that which led to the current situation. He should have been sealed up max term on his 2nd deal.

He's just as much to blame for the bridge deal as Treliving.

He didn't have to sign it and could have insisted on a longer deal. Instead he did so he could have all the freedom faster and then talked about not wanting to break the band up. I doubt Treliving was so torn about having to trade Frolik that doing a short deal was the only option.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

From inside knowledge, Tkachuk wanted the keys. Mitch Marner money (11M AAV) and wanted to be the Captain. Flames were not giving him any of those at that time.

This.

He was only signing 6+ years if it came at what would have been seen at the time as an overpayment. His ask was somewhere between Marner (6 x $10.9M) and Rantanen (6 x $9.25M). None of the high profile RFAs that year were signing for 8 years...6 years was where the market had been established.

3 x $7M or 6 x $10M...TBH for a team that's window what those 3 years with Gaudreau under contract as well the 3 x $7M seems like the best bet to try to win a cup, it just didn't work. Flames took the same approach that Tampa took with Point that offseason (3 year deal), don't see much complaining about how that was "offensive to Point" on here, or that it forced him out of Tampa.

And in the end they still offered Tkachuk 8 x $10.5M to stay here as an RFA, and he asked for a trade. He could have asked for a trade with 3 years and $10M still left on his 6 year contract too if had wished. Might not have changed anything.

[Toonage]

The Tkachuk of the past 2 years, yeah I'd give him whatever to stay. But that wasn't the guy we said good bye to unfortunately.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The Tkachuk of the past 2 years, yeah I'd give him whatever to stay. But that wasn't the guy we said good bye to unfortunately.

That was just lack of vision by Treliving. Everyone can pay a guy who's putting up 100 points and is a playoff beast.

[activeStick]

Was very surprised at the lack of execution by the Rangers. The Rangers start in Game 2 is going to be so important for this series.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Saqe

That was just lack of vision by Treliving. Everyone can pay a guy who's putting up 100 points and is a playoff beast.

I don't think it was a lack of vision TBH.

3 x $7M where he's a RFA at the end is still a better contract for the Calgary Flames than 6 x $9.5M where he's UFA at the end. Even with the benefit of hindsight in how it worked out.

Eating those 2 years of UFA isn't worth the extra $2.5M per season when you also factor in he would have then been a UFA at the end of the contract.

Would you rather be where the Flames were 2 years ago where you're trading Tkachuk with full control...or where the Leafs are now where Marner has a full NMC, and you only have a year left on his contract before he can walk wherever he wants as a UFA.

Tkachuk decided he didn't want to be in Calgary anymore because of the pandemic, Sutter, and Gaudreau leaving. None of those things are any different if he had a 3 or 6 year contract, and it had nothing to do with the perceived slight of his bridge contract. Tkachuk and Treliving both spoke very highly of each other during the entire process and in the time that passed. Tkachuk wanting to leave had nothing to do with Treliving.