Minor hockey players required to wear bottom layer to dressing room

[Sofa GM]

Typical, why do 99% of people who don’t see a problem be impacted by 1% of people. I see that as a demise of society

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Typical, why do 99% of people who don’t see a problem be impacted by 1% of people. I see that as a demise of society

I imagine people have been consistently saying this for thousands of years. But we’re going to see the absolute end, no doubt.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

It has everything to do with society, not sure how that’s not obvious

I’d honestly like to understand what you mean by that.

There are real societal issues still needing to be dealt with in terms of gay and trans youth - but this doesn’t do it. Hockey itself has its own issues ranging from coaches and those in positions of power abusing kids, to lacking an inclusive environment for people to feel included, to creating a culture of entitlement in their highest performing athletes. Again this policy doesn’t solve that.

It’s a bad decision by a floundering organization that is getting called out. The problem I see is those in the category of pushing back against rights and progress for trans youth will use this for their purposes, thus actually setting back the progress we need to make.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I’d honestly like to understand what you mean by that.

There are real societal issues still needing to be dealt with in terms of gay and trans youth - but this doesn’t do it. Hockey itself has its own issues ranging from coaches and those in positions of power abusing kids, to lacking an inclusive environment for people to feel included, to creating a culture of entitlement in their highest performing athletes. Again this policy doesn’t solve that.

It’s a bad decision by a floundering organization that is getting called out. The problem I see is those in the category of pushing back against rights and progress for trans youth will use this for their purposes, thus actually setting back the progress we need to make.

If one person on a team has a problem with nudity or getting dressed with the team, maybe they should get dressed in another space and join the rest of the team 5-10 mins before game or practice. We need to quit making the problems of the vast minority a problem for the majority.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If one person on a team has a problem with nudity or getting dressed with the team, maybe they should get dressed in another space and join the rest of the team 5-10 mins before game or practice. We need to quit making the problems of the vast minority a problem for the majority.

So from a policy standpoint you and I are close. But I disagree with your final sentence, a great society figures out how to accommodate the minority in ways that balances needs - it’s what we should aspire to. Majority gets what it wants and the minority just lives with it has some pretty bad outcomes, history has proven that out.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

So from a policy standpoint you and I are close. But I disagree with your final sentence, a great society figures out how to accommodate the minority in ways that balances needs - it’s what we should aspire to. Majority gets what it wants and the minority just lives with it has some pretty bad outcomes, history has proven that out.

He outlined a solution. So, it’s not like he’s wanting th people uncomfortable with it to have to stay in the room. They would be free to go change somewhere else.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

So from a policy standpoint you and I are close. But I disagree with your final sentence, a great society figures out how to accommodate the minority in ways that balances needs - it’s what we should aspire to. Majority gets what it wants and the minority just lives with it has some pretty bad outcomes, history has proven that out.

Nope not how it works. Majority rules, if it didn’t Trudeau wouldn’t be Prime Minister. Just how life works.

I had a hockey bully in the dressing room in U13 20+ yrs ago, I made it better by pounding the absolute s@&t out of him and it was no longer an issue.

World needs to toughen up.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Nope not how it works. Majority rules, if it didn’t Trudeau wouldn’t be Prime Minister. Just how life works.

I had a hockey bully in the dressing room in U13 20+ yrs ago, I made it better by pounding the absolute s@&t out of him and it was no longer an issue.

World needs to toughen up.

The world could stand to mentally toughen up, too, by not letting an ultimately silly policy impacting an incredibly small number of people get to them so deeply.

[Locke]

So....everyone should be naked always. Problem solved.

That being said (in jest) this seems like trying to fix a problem that they invented to make Hockey Canada seem Progressive and Competent and real, 'boots on the ground' people are just rolling their eyes and going on with their lives.

[RogerWilco]

Its fascinating to read this thread. Many people seem more up in arms about this new rule than when hockey Canada was covering up gang rapes. Allot of you seem overly enthusiastic about teens getting nude with each other.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The world could stand to mentally toughen up, too, by not letting an ultimately silly policy impacting an incredibly small number of people get to them so deeply.

It impacts everyone. How is it an incredibly small number of people?

It’s a stupid policy that will just be ignored by the vast majority.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Its fascinating to read this thread. Many people seem more up in arms about this new rule than when hockey Canada was covering up gang rapes. Allot of you seem overly enthusiastic about teens getting nude with each other.

What a dumb post, so the answer we have to the Hockey Canada issues is the kids have to come dressed. So having minor hockey players coming to the rink in their base layer is going to stop junior players from assaulting a girl? You clearly haven’t played any sports whatsoever. Clown.

I have an idea, how about we criminally charge the offenders along the with Hockey Canada executives who cover such things up. Maybe that combined with some jail time would be a more useful deterrent than making kids come to the rink in base layers.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Homedressers!

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What a dumb post, so the answer we have to the Hockey Canada issues is the kids have to come dressed. So having minor hockey players coming to the rink in their base layer is going to stop junior players from assaulting a girl? You clearly haven’t played any sports whatsoever. Clown.

I have an idea, how about we criminally charge the offenders along the with Hockey Canada executives who cover such things up. Maybe that combined with some jail time would be a more useful deterrent than making kids come to the rink in base layers.

See, just way too much passion about a simple rule. Wether that rule is an effective step or not, is entirely beside the point.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

See, just way too much passion about a simple rule. Wether that rule is an effective step or not, is entirely beside the point.

I get passionate about simple things because these are dumb rules like this that are implemented to mask the actual problems.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

What a dumb post, so the answer we have to the Hockey Canada issues is the kids have to come dressed. So having minor hockey players coming to the rink in their base layer is going to stop junior players from assaulting a girl? You clearly haven’t played any sports whatsoever. Clown.

I have an idea, how about we criminally charge the offenders along the with Hockey Canada executives who cover such things up. Maybe that combined with some jail time would be a more useful deterrent than making kids come to the rink in base layers.

This isn't about stopping rape, I suspect. It's about hazing, bullying and harassment. A huge chunk of hazing incidents are in showers and a lot is dick-related. And if a player is shy and deosn't want to shower there's bullying.

Is the rule the right wasy to do it? Probably not, but that's the attempt anyway.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This isn't about stopping rape, I suspect. It's about hazing, bullying and harassment. A huge chunk of hazing incidents are in showers and a lot is dick-related. And if a player is shy and deosn't want to shower there's bullying.

Is the rule the right wasy to do it? Probably not, but that's the attempt anyway.

Well, as earlier stated… bullies are easily thwarted by thumping them once or twice. Let’s deal with the problem.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Well, as earlier stated… bullies are easily thwarted by thumping them once or twice. Let’s deal with the problem.

Who do you propose "thumps" a 13 year old kid?

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who do you propose "thumps" a 13 year old kid?

Perhaps another 13 yr old kid

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Perhaps another 13 yr old kid

And when the bully beats the shot out of that 23 year old what next? Get a bunch of kids to jump him?

It’s almost like promoting fighting and violence to solve problems (with anyone but especially kids) is a moronic idea.