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Old 10-10-2019, 09:32 AM   #8841
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IOL cancelled the Aspen project, which was into detailed design.
Exactly,

No new capital is being spent to expand this year. Its the bottom. That was the last major project in existence in Alberta.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:32 AM   #8842
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Could be something, could be nothing, but yes....interesting none the less.

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Old 10-10-2019, 09:33 AM   #8843
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And cancellation of TMX has to be on the table, he's said it multiple times.




This election is a bunch of leaders acting like sign spinners in front of restaurants.


"Free Stuff, Get yer free stuff" (spinning sign around)



"How do we pay for it"


"Err the rich and powerful"


None of what these leaders are doing is an actual plan.


and its allll Bullshyte.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:37 AM   #8844
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Could be something, could be nothing, but yes....interesting none the less.


If its not something major, this has the potential to really blow up in the conservative's face. I'm not sure that this is a good strategy at all.
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And cancellation of TMX has to be on the table, he's said it multiple times.




This election is a bunch of leaders acting like sign spinners in front of restaurants.


"Free Stuff, Get yer free stuff" (spinning sign around)



"How do we pay for it"


"Err the rich and powerful"


None of what these leaders are doing is an actual plan.


and its allll Bullshyte.
In thinking of a minority government though, it doesn't mean that because you hold say 15 seats and strike a deal that you get everything you want. A lot of minorities come to these uneasy coalitions where other parties prop the government up for a period because they don't want an election either. It's a lot of bluster.

So when the NDP says out campaigning that they would stop TMX, it doesn't mean they would force an election on that issue (and if they did it would be incredibly stupid as clearly most Canadians are not only in favour of that project, but just gave them 15/338 seats and they'll just get crushed in an unnecessary election).

I think that you would see concessions around areas that the parties could agree on, rather than areas where they're diametrically opposed. Maybe pharmacare, but more likely in the taxation area.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:39 AM   #8846
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So NDP released their priorities which you can assume would be the starting point for supporting a Liberal minority:
  • A national universal pharmacare plan and a national dental care plan, delivering affordability and better health to Canadians.
  • A home people can afford, including massive investments in housing, real action on money laundering and a tax on foreign speculators.
  • Beginning to tackle student debt, by taking all interest off of student loans, current and future.
  • A bold plan and concrete action to fight the climate crisis, ending the subsidies to big oil companies, committing to science-based targets and helping workers during the transition from fossil fuels.
  • Making cell phone and internet bills more affordable by putting in place a price cap to make sure that Canadians aren’t paying more than the global average for their cell phone and internet bills.
  • Ensuring the super-wealthy are paying their fair share by introducing a super wealth tax, closing tax loopholes, and ending giveaways for the richest companies and individuals.
The conservative government will be the one propping up the liberals. The liberals aren't going to form a coalition government unless the PC's when the most seats.

A minority government can have a lot of power because the other three parties need to decide if the issue they are refusing to compromise on will hurt them or help them in the subsequent election. So for the first 2 years the Liberals will govern from the middle threatening the other parties with an election if they don't fall in line. A good example is the Harper minority where Harper governed effectively until he didn't respond to the financial crisis and at that point the other parties sensed an opportunity.

So I think you have 2 years of stable Liberal government on a bill by bill basis rather than a coalition
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Could be something, could be nothing, but yes....interesting none the less.



Interesting if true.
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Old 10-10-2019, 09:50 AM   #8848
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Also, lol.

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Old 10-10-2019, 10:11 AM   #8849
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Nanos has the Liberals pulling away. Their numbers are going up about a point a week.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:21 AM   #8850
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Really, a screenshot of an unknown facebook feed?
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Nanos has the Liberals pulling away. Their numbers are going up about a point a week.
Well that's a statistical tie.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:30 AM   #8852
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Nanos has the Liberals pulling away. Their numbers are going up about a point a week.

Am I reading the right thing with the Libs at 33.9 and the Cons at 33. The margin of error is bigger then the split.


The Cons should be blowing these clowns out.


The Libs have lost a huge chunk of their base from the last election.


the polls are getting impossible to trust because they're all so wildly different from each other.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:34 AM   #8853
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That's the average poll results though, you can scroll down to see the individual polls. Including the latest Nanos results from Oct 7-Oct 10 that has 37 for Libs and 33 Cons. (The previous Nanos was 36-35 and the one before that was 35-35 dead tie).
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And that's fair.


With so many polls and so many different poll results, I'm of the feeling that none are accurate.


We've seen in the last few elections, provincially Municipal etc, the Polls are usually wildly out of wack.
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:42 AM   #8855
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So do you guys want to have a political thread or not?
We have had a huge number of reports from this thread in the last few days. It makes it impossible to moderate.
Either you all tolerate the fact that political discussions are going to get heated, start treating each other respect or ideally both.
Failing that we'll lock it up and just agree that the board isn't capable of handling political discussions.

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Nanos has the Liberals pulling away. Their numbers are going up about a point a week.
Not really. Nanos has generally had the Liberals all over the place from about 32 to 36 for basically the entire campaign.

One problem with their method is the fact that they only poll 400 people per day, then run a three-day weighted average. It has resulted in major shifts that did not last. They've had a number of days where the LPC or CPC moved up or down by a couple points.

That being said, 36.9 does appear to be the highest number they've polled the LPC at since the writ was dropped. And that is somewhat newsworthy.
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And that's fair.

With so many polls and so many different poll results, I'm of the feeling that none are accurate.

We've seen in the last few elections, provincially Municipal etc, the Polls are usually wildly out of wack.
Municipal and provincial elections are much harder to poll for than federal elections. Either way this statement is generally a case of confirmation bias. Polls tend to be right more than they're wrong but we only really remember when they're wrong.

I don't think we should necessarily trust one poll's numbers as gospel, but polling trends often give us a good picture of how the race is going and the Conservatives are trending in the wrong direction.
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Not really. Nanos has generally had the Liberals all over the place from about 32 to 36 for basically the entire campaign.

One problem with their method is the fact that they only poll 400 people per day, then run a three-day weighted average. It has resulted in major shifts that did not last. They've had a number of days where the LPC or CPC moved up or down by a couple points.

That being said, 36.9 does appear to be the highest number they've polled the LPC at since the writ was dropped. And that is somewhat newsworthy.
If you look at the last couple of weeks the Libs were polling 32-33-34, and now they seem to be polling 34-35-36 and closing in on 37.

That was my whole point.
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Really, a screenshot of an unknown facebook feed?
While transplant should know by now that providing a source to random stuff like that is a must, it is legit.

The Cons are planning a statement at 3:30 (according to Jonathan Kingstone of the Toronto Sun), and fwiw, True North are saying they have a big story to break this afternoon and gave Trudeau a noon deadline to respond.

If the Cons are getting into bed with True North to try and slander Trudeau... I dunno, that sounds like a very awful idea.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:05 AM   #8860
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It will be interesting to see what voter turn-out is like this year. Regardless of what your preference is this election, it doesn't sound like anyone is enthusiastic about who they are voting for. If voter enthusiasm is low (which appears to be the case), who benefits the most from that?
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