View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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109 |
16.80% |
Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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197 |
30.35% |
Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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187 |
28.81% |
Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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107 |
16.49% |
Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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7.55% |
07-24-2019, 11:34 AM
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#2421
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by greyshep
Still hate that we helped them out here.
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We helped them out by giving them our worst player by far? I wish we could help them out like that more often!
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07-24-2019, 11:36 AM
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#2422
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by 868904
Tkachuk is pretty much the only guy on the Flames roster who goes to the front of the net and pays the price to score goals. Not sure why Bennett doesn't.
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Lindholm does as well. But you’re right, it’s good to have multiple options in that dept.
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07-24-2019, 11:38 AM
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#2423
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.
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07-24-2019, 11:38 AM
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#2424
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
We helped them out by giving them our worst player by far? I wish we could help them out like that more often!
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I think the theory is, we helped them out by taking their worse player.
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07-24-2019, 11:46 AM
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#2425
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Scoring Winger
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Hoping we see a motivated Lucic who can looks like he cares about his play. That's all I can ask for at this point.
I was sick of yelling at my TV with some Smith blunders, and Neal misses/not looking engaged in the play. (However, Smith did redeem himself quite a bit in the playoffs for me)
If I end up yelling at the TV for Lucic, we will have lost this trade enormously. If I can actually cheer for Lucic than I think we did "okay". It would take quite a bit for me (Neal's decline continues, Lucic becomes serviceable 3rd line player) to consider this trade anywhere near a win for the Flames.
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07-24-2019, 11:47 AM
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#2426
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.
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He's more in the slot with his wicked release.
I don't know if he's stood right in front to tip pucks in or bang home rebounds. He's usually facing the goalie as opposed to having his back to the goalie and defender. That's not how I remember his goals.
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07-24-2019, 11:53 AM
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#2427
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
I think the theory is, we helped them out by taking their worse player.
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We took their worst contract.
They took our worst player.
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07-24-2019, 11:56 AM
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#2428
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Is there some chance that Lucic waived his NTC as part of this trade and that just hasn't been discussed yet? The only way I can fathom this deal is if we don't have to protect him in the expansion draft.
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07-24-2019, 11:57 AM
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#2429
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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^ Nope. It is what it is.
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07-24-2019, 12:00 PM
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#2430
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.
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He does but he’s rarely parking himself in front of the net as the net front presence for screens/tips. Monahan is more of a drift into the slot type of guy and get off a quick shot.
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07-24-2019, 12:02 PM
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#2431
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
His Vegas goals were mostly in front of the net, tips and sniping rebounds. I haven’t seen many examples of him scoring the Stamkos or Ovi way, and yet it seems to be how fans see him.
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he definitely scored a lot the Ovi/Stamkos way the year he had 40 goals
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07-24-2019, 12:03 PM
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#2432
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Futzee
Is there some chance that Lucic waived his NTC as part of this trade and that just hasn't been discussed yet? The only way I can fathom this deal is if we don't have to protect him in the expansion draft.
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It’s not an issue until it is. I can’t see Seattle taking Lucic given what else we will have available, so I can’t see Lucic not waiving since it won’t matter to him.
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07-24-2019, 12:10 PM
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#2433
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
he definitely scored a lot the Ovi/Stamkos way the year he had 40 goals
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Sure but that was 8 seasons ago.
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07-24-2019, 12:11 PM
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#2434
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 868904
That was the big problem for the Flames last year. They didn't score enough dirty and ugly goals. They were scoring beautiful goes on tic tac toe plays and that's great for most of the regular season, but come playoff time, it's all about the dirty goals.
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I'm highly skeptical of this argument. In the regular season our team was tied for tops in the NHL with the sharks for even strength high danger goals with 128. While that can't qualify the dirtyness of the goal, it typically does signal a willingness to crash the net.
I think if we lacked in any area it was goals scored from outside by forwards. Guys like MacKinnon and Rantanen were scoring OT winners from 25+ feet out on Smith in the playoffs with absolute snipes and we had no one who could do the same at the other end as all our goal scoring forwards are muffin shooters who depend on dirty goals.
I reject the idea that we didn't score dirty goals. Mangiapane, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Hathaway, Backlund, Frolik, Ryan, Lindholm... all these guys were crashing the net hard all year. About the only forward who was scoring primarily from outside / on pretty plays seemed to be Czarnik. And that worked because he brought an element that was sorely missed. Even Monahan, our best shooter, rarely steps out of his typical scoring areas, although they're further out than most of the team.
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Last edited by GranteedEV; 07-24-2019 at 12:26 PM.
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07-24-2019, 12:52 PM
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#2435
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
We took their worst contract.
They took our worst player.
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Well, it was our worse player and worse contract. Same for them.
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07-24-2019, 12:52 PM
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#2436
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Draft Pick
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Originally Posted by Love
Neal will probably explode with McDavid
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Neal couldn't keep up to Flames 3rd liners, McDavid is going to have to circle the zone 3 times while he waits for James to get into scoring position.
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07-24-2019, 12:55 PM
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#2437
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Participant
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Well, it was our worse player and worse contract. Same for them.
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I think you're forgetting it was the Oilers.
Lucic wasn't even close to being their worst player.
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07-24-2019, 12:59 PM
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#2438
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PepsiFree
I think you're forgetting it was the Oilers.
Lucic wasn't even close to being their worst player.
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He was easily the worst player on the ice a lot of nights.
So much so that the Oilers wanted him off the team.
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07-24-2019, 01:03 PM
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#2439
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Participant
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Weitz
He was easily the worst player on the ice a lot of nights.
So much so that the Oilers wanted him off the team.
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Yeah, the Oilers aren't known for wanting high-quality players off the team and trading them for peanuts in comparison.
Not known for it at all...
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07-24-2019, 01:03 PM
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#2440
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
We took their worst contract.
They took our worst player.
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This post makes me almost be OK with the deal the way you phrased it
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