Ongoing thread for Neal/Lucic discussion

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by greyshep

Still hate that we helped them out here.

We helped them out by giving them our worst player by far? I wish we could help them out like that more often!

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by 868904

Tkachuk is pretty much the only guy on the Flames roster who goes to the front of the net and pays the price to score goals. Not sure why Bennett doesn't.

Lindholm does as well. But you’re right, it’s good to have multiple options in that dept.

[TheScorpion]

Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

We helped them out by giving them our worst player by far? I wish we could help them out like that more often!

I think the theory is, we helped them out by taking their worse player.

[Kickazzflames]

Hoping we see a motivated Lucic who can looks like he cares about his play. That's all I can ask for at this point.

I was sick of yelling at my TV with some Smith blunders, and Neal misses/not looking engaged in the play. (However, Smith did redeem himself quite a bit in the playoffs for me)

If I end up yelling at the TV for Lucic, we will have lost this trade enormously. If I can actually cheer for Lucic than I think we did "okay". It would take quite a bit for me (Neal's decline continues, Lucic becomes serviceable 3rd line player) to consider this trade anywhere near a win for the Flames.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.

He's more in the slot with his wicked release.

I don't know if he's stood right in front to tip pucks in or bang home rebounds. He's usually facing the goalie as opposed to having his back to the goalie and defender. That's not how I remember his goals.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the theory is, we helped them out by taking their worse player.

We took their worst contract.

They took our worst player.

[Futzee]

Is there some chance that Lucic waived his NTC as part of this trade and that just hasn't been discussed yet? The only way I can fathom this deal is if we don't have to protect him in the expansion draft.

[Toonage]

^ Nope. It is what it is.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Am I taking crazy pills? Sean Monahan scores tons of goals from right in front of the net, he takes a beating while doing it.

He does but he’s rarely parking himself in front of the net as the net front presence for screens/tips. Monahan is more of a drift into the slot type of guy and get off a quick shot.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

His Vegas goals were mostly in front of the net, tips and sniping rebounds. I haven’t seen many examples of him scoring the Stamkos or Ovi way, and yet it seems to be how fans see him.

he definitely scored a lot the Ovi/Stamkos way the year he had 40 goals

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Futzee

Is there some chance that Lucic waived his NTC as part of this trade and that just hasn't been discussed yet? The only way I can fathom this deal is if we don't have to protect him in the expansion draft.

It’s not an issue until it is. I can’t see Seattle taking Lucic given what else we will have available, so I can’t see Lucic not waiving since it won’t matter to him.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

he definitely scored a lot the Ovi/Stamkos way the year he had 40 goals

Sure but that was 8 seasons ago.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 868904

That was the big problem for the Flames last year. They didn't score enough dirty and ugly goals. They were scoring beautiful goes on tic tac toe plays and that's great for most of the regular season, but come playoff time, it's all about the dirty goals.

I'm highly skeptical of this argument. In the regular season our team was tied for tops in the NHL with the sharks for even strength high danger goals with 128. While that can't qualify the dirtyness of the goal, it typically does signal a willingness to crash the net.

I think if we lacked in any area it was goals scored from outside by forwards. Guys like MacKinnon and Rantanen were scoring OT winners from 25+ feet out on Smith in the playoffs with absolute snipes and we had no one who could do the same at the other end as all our goal scoring forwards are muffin shooters who depend on dirty goals.

I reject the idea that we didn't score dirty goals. Mangiapane, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Hathaway, Backlund, Frolik, Ryan, Lindholm... all these guys were crashing the net hard all year. About the only forward who was scoring primarily from outside / on pretty plays seemed to be Czarnik. And that worked because he brought an element that was sorely missed. Even Monahan, our best shooter, rarely steps out of his typical scoring areas, although they're further out than most of the team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We took their worst contract.

They took our worst player.

Well, it was our worse player and worse contract. Same for them.

[LFB_Flames]

Originally Posted by Love

Neal will probably explode with McDavid

Neal couldn't keep up to Flames 3rd liners, McDavid is going to have to circle the zone 3 times while he waits for James to get into scoring position.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, it was our worse player and worse contract. Same for them.

I think you're forgetting it was the Oilers.

Lucic wasn't even close to being their worst player.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think you're forgetting it was the Oilers.

Lucic wasn't even close to being their worst player.

He was easily the worst player on the ice a lot of nights.

So much so that the Oilers wanted him off the team.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Weitz

He was easily the worst player on the ice a lot of nights.

So much so that the Oilers wanted him off the team.

Yeah, the Oilers aren't known for wanting high-quality players off the team and trading them for peanuts in comparison.

Not known for it at all...

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

We took their worst contract.

They took our worst player.

This post makes me almost be OK with the deal the way you phrased it