07-02-2019, 12:23 PM
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#141
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Colorado doesn't have their second or third round picks in 2020. I don't think they can tender an offer sheet.
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10.6 puts them at the 4x1st scenario I believe.
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07-02-2019, 12:24 PM
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#142
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flash Walken
10.6 puts them at the 4x1st scenario I believe.
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Whoops. I saw $10.5 m.
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07-02-2019, 01:30 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Colorado doesn't have their second or third round picks in 2020. I don't think they can tender an offer sheet.
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I actually think they may try to trade with Florida to get their own third rounder back.
Then they could do the 1st + 3rd offer sheet range of $4.2 to $6.5M.
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07-02-2019, 01:55 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Can't see M. Tkachuk signing an offer sheet from the Avs. He wants to be here.
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07-02-2019, 01:58 PM
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#145
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Can't see M. Tkachuk signing an offer sheet from the Avs. He wants to be here.
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Yeah, from everything reported so far the only reason I see Tkachuk signing an offer sheet is to leverage a better return from Calgary. One would think the only offer he would accept is one that he is certain the Flames would match, very similar to what likely happened with Aho. If that's the case, its probably a deal we would all be pretty happy with.
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07-02-2019, 02:14 PM
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#146
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Colorado doesn't have their second or third round picks in 2020. I don't think they can tender an offer sheet.
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Something that came out recently that I wasn't aware of, and I don't think many others are:
@reporterchris
"Important note on offer sheets: NHL teams that have already traded their 2020 1st-round pick are still eligible to tender a max offer using the 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 picks.
So -- cap space issues aside -- every team technically has the ability to do one on July 1."
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...641397761?s=09
Its always previously been discussed as if the need next year's picks or you can't do it. I guess you can defer the picks.
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07-02-2019, 03:10 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Something that came out recently that I wasn't aware of, and I don't think many others are:
@reporterchris
"Important note on offer sheets: NHL teams that have already traded their 2020 1st-round pick are still eligible to tender a max offer using the 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 picks.
So -- cap space issues aside -- every team technically has the ability to do one on July 1."
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...641397761?s=09
Its always previously been discussed as if the need next year's picks or you can't do it. I guess you can defer the picks.
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I think that's just for the 4 1sts scenario.
You need to give out 4 1sts in a 5 year period - so doesn't have to be the following season.
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07-02-2019, 04:11 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Something that came out recently that I wasn't aware of, and I don't think many others are:
@reporterchris
"Important note on offer sheets: NHL teams that have already traded their 2020 1st-round pick are still eligible to tender a max offer using the 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 picks.
So -- cap space issues aside -- every team technically has the ability to do one on July 1."
https://twitter.com/reporterchris/st...641397761?s=09
Its always previously been discussed as if the need next year's picks or you can't do it. I guess you can defer the picks.
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I simply don't understand how anyone can justify not picking in the 1st round for an entire Olympic cycle in the cap era. A player may be worth three 1st round picks in one year - 6, 22 and 28 for 1 is expensive, but you can recover from it, especially if the result is Nathan MacKinnon.
No 1sts for four years means you not only cannot add cheap young talent to your organization, you can't make a major addition at the deadline for four years, you can't be in on any other stars that may come available, and have to augment your roster almost exclusively through UFA signings.
This isn't basketball. No one player is able to change fortunes that dramatically. Keep the assets and find another way.
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07-02-2019, 04:20 PM
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#149
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Yeah, from everything reported so far the only reason I see Tkachuk signing an offer sheet is to leverage a better return from Calgary. One would think the only offer he would accept is one that he is certain the Flames would match, very similar to what likely happened with Aho. If that's the case, its probably a deal we would all be pretty happy with.
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Calgary would match many offers they wouldn't be very excited to give Tkschuk.
I doubt they'd be excited to give him the same deal Aho got, since it would bring him to UFA that much sooner than the Flames want.
But it's heard to imagine Tkachuk getting less than Aho now.
While the dollar amount wasn't staggering, the term suited the player and not the team.
RFA's are now getting the dollars and the desired term, taking them directly to UFA.
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07-02-2019, 04:35 PM
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#150
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Colorado doesn't have their second or third round picks in 2020. I don't think they can tender an offer sheet.
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If I'm the avs I'm gonna go after Point for 10.5. Would be tough for Tampa to match that and I think he's more worth it than Tkachuk tbh
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07-02-2019, 04:37 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Calgary would match many offers they wouldn't be very excited to give Tkschuk.
I doubt they'd be excited to give him the same deal Aho got, since it would bring him to UFA that much sooner than the Flames want.
But it's heard to imagine Tkachuk getting less than Aho now.
While the dollar amount wasn't staggering, the term suited the player and not the team.
RFA's are now getting the dollars and the desired term, taking them directly to UFA.
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Tkachuk plays a less valuable position, on a lower line and doesn't have better numbers than Aho. It would be strange to see him making more.
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07-02-2019, 04:42 PM
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#152
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Calgary would match many offers they wouldn't be very excited to give Tkschuk.
I doubt they'd be excited to give him the same deal Aho got, since it would bring him to UFA that much sooner than the Flames want.
But it's heard to imagine Tkachuk getting less than Aho now.
While the dollar amount wasn't staggering, the term suited the player and not the team.
RFA's are now getting the dollars and the desired term, taking them directly to UFA.
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Are you talking about total value and AAV on the contract? Because if so, then I think it is completely plausible—if not very likely—that Tkachuk gets less than Aho. He has not been as productive, plays a lower-valued position, and was not the highest scoring player on his team. These are all significant factors that all parties involved will need to navigate in coming to terms on Tkachuk's next contract.
I am confident that he re-signs for less than $8.5 AAV.
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07-03-2019, 08:51 AM
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#153
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
Tkachuk plays a less valuable position, on a lower line and doesn't have better numbers than Aho. It would be strange to see him making more.
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I was meaning on an offer sheet.
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07-03-2019, 09:46 AM
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#154
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
I was meaning on an offer sheet.
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Even on an offer sheet the offering team has to pay the salary, and I can't see any GM wanting to pay Tkachuk $8.5 for only a 5 year term.
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07-05-2019, 10:31 AM
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#155
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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I would have Marner/Aho/Pointe as the top 3 RFA's and Rantanen is also in that tier as well. All being clearly ahead of Tkachuck who I think is closer to a guy like Meier than a guy like Aho. I would actually be willing to buy that Aho might be the most valuable based on him being a full time top line center who does not have the same level of offensive support the other players do and the role he plays.
As much as teams may gripe about that 5 year term, I think GM's love having 8.5 for 5 years on this player to use as a bench mark rather than Matthews 11 million dollar number over the same term.
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07-05-2019, 10:58 AM
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#156
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Originally Posted by Sylvanfan
I would have Marner/Aho/Pointe as the top 3 RFA's and Rantanen is also in that tier as well. All being clearly ahead of Tkachuck who I think is closer to a guy like Meier than a guy like Aho. I would actually be willing to buy that Aho might be the most valuable based on him being a full time top line center who does not have the same level of offensive support the other players do and the role he plays.
As much as teams may gripe about that 5 year term, I think GM's love having 8.5 for 5 years on this player to use as a bench mark rather than Matthews 11 million dollar number over the same term.
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They will both be used as comparables, though the Leafs cant even use Aho in regards to Marner....because of obvious reasons.
And Tkachuk and Aho's PPG really arent that much different IIRC...3 pts a year or something along those lines.
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07-05-2019, 11:08 AM
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#157
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I think that's just for the 4 1sts scenario.
You need to give out 4 1sts in a 5 year period - so doesn't have to be the following season.
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The actual rule is if it's multiple picks in the same round you get N+1 years to do it.
So for the highest compensation with four first round picks you only need four in the next five years.
For the second highest compensation with two first round picks, a second and a third, you must have the next available second and third round picks but can compensate with two out of the next three first round picks
I.E.
2020 1st, 2022 1st
2020 2nd
2020 3rd
would be acceptable if you had already traded the 2021 1st.
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07-05-2019, 11:17 AM
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#158
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
They will both be used as comparables, though the Leafs cant even use Aho in regards to Marner....because of obvious reasons.
And Tkachuk and Aho's PPG really arent that much different IIRC...3 pts a year or something along those lines.
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Aho is 0.814 points per game and Tkachuck is 0.76, so 4 points over 80 games. Certainly other metrics like primary points per 60 would come into play but I see no reason to go over 7.25 a year for 4 years. If Marner gets 12.5 over 5...good for him. If someone wants to pay Tkachuck in that stratosphere, I would elect to let him walk.
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07-05-2019, 11:27 AM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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You're dreaming. I strongly doubt that Tkachuk is going to shoot himself in the foot by signing a 4 year deal. I do think Aho ends up with a higher AAV on a 5 year term because he's a #1C, but you also have to realize that Tkachuk brings more than scoring and that the other aspects of his game are also going to be compensated for. I think probably 5 years in the high 7's is a likely outcome, any more years and you're in the low 8s.
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07-05-2019, 11:31 AM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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Why is a 4 year deal shooting himself in the foot?
He'll be a UFA as soon as possible and not in the same year as Matthews or Aho. Would almost certainly be the top wanted UFA and if you look at what Panarin was offered, that doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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