04-20-2019, 10:47 PM
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#181
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Winnipeg didnt win their division, Nashville did.
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Oh right. I forgot they choked it away down the stretch.
Even better.
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04-20-2019, 11:12 PM
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#182
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Franchise Player
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My friend is laughing at me right now for having him pick Tampa, Calgary, Winnipeg and Pittsburgh in his playoff box pool. Completely opposite of the regular season picks.
I was the one who made him pick Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk and Giordano during the regular season. He took 1st place out of 45 and won like $400 so he's playing with house money anyway.
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04-20-2019, 11:29 PM
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#183
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Could Care Less
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Winnipeg losing makes me feel a little bit better, misery loves company I guess. I wouldn’t be able to stand it if another Canadian team did well. Hopefully the Leafs bomb out too.
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04-20-2019, 11:42 PM
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#184
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Jets WCF last year. First round exit
Flames tops in West. First round exit
Dallas miss playoffs last season. Looking good for second round.
Blues miss playoffs last year. Heading to second round
San Jose perennial contender. In trouble first round.
Pittsburgh. Swept in first round.
Should the Flames blow it apart? Or maybe just stay the course. It's a random game and you just have to be in the dance to have a chance. You can maximize your potential, but there are no sure bets.
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04-21-2019, 09:02 AM
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#185
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by blender
Jets WCF last year. First round exit
Flames tops in West. First round exit
Dallas miss playoffs last season. Looking good for second round.
Blues miss playoffs last year. Heading to second round
San Jose perennial contender. In trouble first round.
Pittsburgh. Swept in first round.
Should the Flames blow it apart? Or maybe just stay the course. It's a random game and you just have to be in the dance to have a chance. You can maximize your potential, but there are no sure bets.
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SJ, Pitts, TB etc had some great runs recently. We got destroyed in 3 of the last 4 series with this core. It's a pattern.
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04-21-2019, 09:06 AM
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#186
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Van Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red
SJ, Pitts, TB etc had some great runs recently. We got destroyed in 3 of the last 4 series with this core. It's a pattern.
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We actually played pretty well against Anahiem, it was just our atrocious goal-tending in my opinion.
Tinkering and a year of growth, but I think we need a more dominant star center to really make noise.
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04-21-2019, 09:12 AM
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#187
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red
SJ, Pitts, TB etc had some great runs recently. We got destroyed in 3 of the last 4 series with this core. It's a pattern.
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If you say so, it must be true.
Yet the series you are referencing are spread out over 5 years with playoff misses in between. I'm not sure there is enough there to show anything conclusively.
No doubt the Flames playoff results are disappointing and obviously something needs to be done to improve the team.
I am simply pointing out that year to year results are highly variable for most if not all teams. The parity is real and a good GM will look to augment a strong core rather than blow it up and try again.
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04-21-2019, 09:21 AM
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#188
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
Jets WCF last year. First round exit
Flames tops in West. First round exit
Dallas miss playoffs last season. Looking good for second round.
Blues miss playoffs last year. Heading to second round
San Jose perennial contender. In trouble first round.
Pittsburgh. Swept in first round.
Should the Flames blow it apart? Or maybe just stay the course. It's a random game and you just have to be in the dance to have a chance. You can maximize your potential, but there are no sure bets.
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You're the first person I've seen that said this.
Do people really think we have a bad team? There are so many factors that go into it. You have to be hot and lucky at the exact right time.
That's why I was so upset at the refs. That bit of momentum could have easily changed the course of the series for a team with low confidence.
Winning in the NHL takes patience. The Caps were such a good example of it. Everyone said they'd never win with Ovie but they just kept making it in the playoffs year after year. They were almost eliminated in the first round but then WON THE WHOLE THING.
Just make the playoffs.
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04-21-2019, 09:49 AM
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#189
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
If you say so, it must be true.
Yet the series you are referencing are spread out over 5 years with playoff misses in between. I'm not sure there is enough there to show anything conclusively.
No doubt the Flames playoff results are disappointing and obviously something needs to be done to improve the team.
I am simply pointing out that year to year results are highly variable most if not all teams. The parity is real and a good GM will look to augment a strong core rather than blow it up and try again.
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Sorry, my mistake. For some reason I thought they lost soundly.
They went 2-12 in those 3 series.
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04-21-2019, 10:16 AM
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#190
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red
Sorry, my mistake. For some reason I thought they lost soundly.
They went 2-12 in those 3 series.
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Obviously.
My point is that you are talking about 3 different teams. Yes there are some core players who carried over, and I acknowledge that there is plenty of reason to be concerned, but I don't think you can compare results from 2015 to 2019 and draw any meaningful conclusions about what the 2020 Flames should be.
There is an argument that circulates here about the Flames being consistently mediocre. Results seem to support it, but if it is taken at face value it suggests that the franchise itself is flawed. What do you do about that? Fold it? Re-locate?
Or hire competent people in management and keep building and working towards next year.
This year's playoff loss is still raw, but the team had a good year. They need to (and will) build on that rather than tear it down.
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04-21-2019, 10:31 AM
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#191
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Near Fish Creek
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
This year's playoff loss is still raw, but the team had a good year. They need to (and will) build on that rather than tear it down.
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Thanks for this comment, it’s nice to hear the voice of reason.
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04-21-2019, 10:45 AM
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#192
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Thanks for this comment, it’s nice to hear the voice of reason.
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I'm not the only voice of reason by any means, and there is lots of room for discussion. Even the most strident of the burn-it-downers have a valid reason to feel the way they do. It's a results-oriented business and results haven't been good.
My biggest take away is that things are not always what they seem. I'd put more stock in the 82 game sample size and the fact that the Avalanche are a legit very good team than the 5 game sample that says the Flames are fatally flawed.
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04-21-2019, 11:11 AM
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#193
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
Jets WCF last year. First round exit
Flames tops in West. First round exit
Dallas miss playoffs last season. Looking good for second round.
Blues miss playoffs last year. Heading to second round
San Jose perennial contender. In trouble first round.
Pittsburgh. Swept in first round.
Should the Flames blow it apart? Or maybe just stay the course. It's a random game and you just have to be in the dance to have a chance. You can maximize your potential, but there are no sure bets.
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The Flames deserved to lose against the Avs but it appears that only 2/6 teams with home ice advantage to start the playoffs will advance from the first round. Part of this is due to parity but is this also a product of the officiating changing in the postseason? The NHL really has to get over calling games differently in the postseason as it's the only league that changes the definition of penalties from regular season to postseason. I get that Johnny whines a lot but a slash is a slash and a obstruction is obstruction. There were numerous plays in the Flames series where the officials were in position to call a penalty on the Avs but purposely turned a blind eye because in their minds it's playoff hockey and they didn't want to influence the game. Well not calling penalties on high sticks and slashes is in fact influencing the game. So dumb and backwards.
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04-21-2019, 01:58 PM
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#194
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
Jets WCF last year. First round exit
Flames tops in West. First round exit
Dallas miss playoffs last season. Looking good for second round.
Blues miss playoffs last year. Heading to second round
San Jose perennial contender. In trouble first round.
Pittsburgh. Swept in first round.
Should the Flames blow it apart? Or maybe just stay the course. It's a random game and you just have to be in the dance to have a chance. You can maximize your potential, but there are no sure bets.
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Either of these would be a bad decision.
There is middle ground which it neither and makes us a better team next year without blowing things up.
People keep using Washington as the example of sticking with it, but that ignores the fact that they added guys like Oshie, Wilson, Kusnetsov & Holtby before finally getting it done (by trade or draft).
It wasn't a case of staying the course.
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04-21-2019, 02:02 PM
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#195
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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When I say stay the course I mean continuing to augment and improve the team in the way Treliving has been doing, not icing the same roster as this season.
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04-21-2019, 02:05 PM
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#196
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Either of these would be a bad decision.
There is middle ground which it neither and makes us a better team next year without blowing things up.
People keep using Washington as the example of sticking with it, but that ignores the fact that they added guys like Oshie, Wilson, Kusnetsov & Holtby before finally getting it done (by trade or draft).
It wasn't a case of staying the course.
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In the end the thing that pushed Washington over the top was developing 2 first round picks into top line players.
Hard to overstate how crucial developing a 2nd line point per game centre was to their cup win.
32 points in 24 playoff games goes a long way.
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04-21-2019, 02:18 PM
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#197
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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No question that successful drafting and development is the only true way of having sustained success. That being said the Flames have been doing a good job of this IMO.
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04-21-2019, 03:57 PM
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#198
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty
You're the first person I've seen that said this.
Do people really think we have a bad team? There are so many factors that go into it. You have to be hot and lucky at the exact right time.
That's why I was so upset at the refs. That bit of momentum could have easily changed the course of the series for a team with low confidence.
Winning in the NHL takes patience. The Caps were such a good example of it. Everyone said they'd never win with Ovie but they just kept making it in the playoffs year after year. They were almost eliminated in the first round but then WON THE WHOLE THING.
Just make the playoffs.
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It's one thing to lose in the first round.
It's another thing to be the #1 seed and be completely outclassed by the #8 seed.
That's my issue with the Flames in their final 4 games. They weren't even competitive. There's absolutely no excuse for that. And before you point out that two of the games went to overtime, that only happened because Smith absolutely stood on his head in those two games.
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04-22-2019, 09:34 AM
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#199
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Haha, stupid Thrashers
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