Stanley's testimony seems to clearly indicate that he feared for the well-being of his wife. That is the difference maker for me.
Obviously the end result here is tragic, but if you come rolling onto a rural property with three good tires left, and start attempting to steal and ramming things with a weapon weighing 1000s of pounds, not sure you can claim to be a victim.
Guess I am racist.
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Stanley's testimony seems to clearly indicate that he feared for the well-being of his wife. That is the difference maker for me.
OK, but isn't that exactly what he'd say no matter what actually happened? Even if he deliberately murdered Boushie, he's going to say whatever he can to minimize his culpability; anyone would in that situation.
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Obviously the end result here is tragic, but if you come rolling onto a rural property with three good tires left, and start attempting to steal and ramming things with a weapon weighing 1000s of pounds, not sure you can claim to be a victim.
Guess I am racist.
Anyone can be a victim if they are harmed unreasonably. Rodney King was a victim even though he was breaking the law when he was pulled over. Sammy Yatim had attacked a passenger on a streetcar, threatened others, and was brandishing a knife and threatening the police. Regardless though, the officer who shot him was still convicted of attempted murder because his reaction was out of proportion with the threat.
OK, but isn't that exactly what he'd say no matter what actually happened? Even if he deliberately murdered Boushie, he's going to say whatever he can to minimize his culpability; anyone would in that situation.
So your position is the Stanley murdered Boushie and you don't believe any of his version of events?
MP Robert-Falcon Ouellette, whose family is from the Red Pheasant First Nation (same as Boushie), had this to say:
"I’m really sorry for the Boushie family," the MP said Sunday. "But I’m also sorry for the Stanley family. I know most people don’t want to hear that right now. (But) the Stanley family, and many farmers in Saskatchewan, have the feeling that their property is not respected and people come on to their farms and steal their stuff.
"The RCMP aren’t responding quick enough to find the perpetrators, to protect their property. It’s essentially become... a lawless state in some ways," Ouellette added.
"I think this calls to us, at the federal level, to ask: ‘are the policing levels in these communities enough to actually make sure we have a society that doesn’t need to resort to violence?’
"The Stanley family was placed in an impossible situation that’s been building up over a long period of time. And they shouldn’t have even had the thought that, ‘I’m going to go get my gun to fire two warning shots.’ That’s not normal. Maybe it’s normal down in Texas or Colorado or other states, but that is not the type of society we want to have here in Canada.
"I feel sorry for them. They’ve essentially lost two years of their lives. They’ve faced legal bills and great difficulty."
As for the Boushie family, Ouellette said: "They lost a young man (Colten) who will not be able to reach his full potential. Have children, contribute to the community. Who knows what he could have done with his life?"
Asked if his empathy for the Stanley family might draw the ire of the Indigenous community, Ouellette replied: "Probably. But the role of a leader is also to look at things with a cool head and try and take a perspective from different vantage points."
Anyone can be a victim if they are harmed unreasonably. Rodney King was a victim even though he was breaking the law when he was pulled over. Sammy Yatim had attacked a passenger on a streetcar, threatened others, and was brandishing a knife and threatening the police. Regardless though, the officer who shot him was still convicted of attempted murder because his reaction was out of proportion with the threat.
Okay, I see where you're coming from.
So what is the ideal outcome here? What would people acknowledge to be a sufficient punishment for Stanley?
What is the required punishment for all involved, race aside, to acknowledge that Justice was done?
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MP Robert-Falcon Ouellette, whose family is from the Red Pheasant First Nation (same as Boushie), had this to say:
"I’m really sorry for the Boushie family," the MP said Sunday. "But I’m also sorry for the Stanley family. I know most people don’t want to hear that right now. (But) the Stanley family, and many farmers in Saskatchewan, have the feeling that their property is not respected and people come on to their farms and steal their stuff.
"The RCMP aren’t responding quick enough to find the perpetrators, to protect their property. It’s essentially become... a lawless state in some ways," Ouellette added.
"I think this calls to us, at the federal level, to ask: ‘are the policing levels in these communities enough to actually make sure we have a society that doesn’t need to resort to violence?’
"The Stanley family was placed in an impossible situation that’s been building up over a long period of time. And they shouldn’t have even had the thought that, ‘I’m going to go get my gun to fire two warning shots.’ That’s not normal. Maybe it’s normal down in Texas or Colorado or other states, but that is not the type of society we want to have here in Canada.
"I feel sorry for them. They’ve essentially lost two years of their lives. They’ve faced legal bills and great difficulty."
As for the Boushie family, Ouellette said: "They lost a young man (Colten) who will not be able to reach his full potential. Have children, contribute to the community. Who knows what he could have done with his life?"
Asked if his empathy for the Stanley family might draw the ire of the Indigenous community, Ouellette replied: "Probably. But the role of a leader is also to look at things with a cool head and try and take a perspective from different vantage points."
Of course not. Indigenous citizens are very lucky to avoid becoming complete **** ups as the cards are so horribly stacked against them.
What's your upbringing Burnthiscity? Do you understand the terms "cycle of violence and cycle of poverty"? Would you miraculously be above the odds if you were Indegenous?
Sorry for the snark, but god damn are Indegenous ever our version of Black people.
I don't doubt that I wouldn't be the person I am today if I was raised in a terrible environment. Anyone claiming they'd bootstrap themselves out of that is full of ####. At the same time, I don't think we should absolve anyone of responsibility solely based on upbringing. Otherwise we're basically saying that anyone with a ####ty childhood/family situation isn't responsible for anything.
I don't disagree that native people are viewed and treated terribly in Canada. It's a long term national shame that we have a huge aboriginal population in prison, or living in extreme poverty.
I don't doubt that I wouldn't be the person I am today if I was raised in a terrible environment. Anyone claiming they'd bootstrap themselves out of that is full of ####. At the same time, I don't think we should absolve anyone of responsibility solely based on upbringing. Otherwise we're basically saying that anyone with a ####ty childhood/family situation isn't responsible for anything.
I don't disagree that native people are viewed and treated terribly in Canada. It's a long term national shame that we have a huge aboriginal population in prison, or living in extreme poverty.
I'm surprised you gave that post the time of day, to be honest. It was inflammatory. I get stupidly heated and biased when it comes to discussion on Indigenous citizens. Sorry.
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So what is the ideal outcome here? What would people acknowledge to be a sufficient punishment for Stanley?
What is the required punishment for all involved, race aside, to acknowledge that Justice was done?
Wait.... opendoor is pointing to situations where the acts were intentional. There is no comparison to the facts in this case.
And what he's saying is he doesn't believe Stanley. That's his own choice. 12 jurors, all of them, thought his testimony at a minimum raised reasonable doubt.
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I'm surprised you gave that post the time of day, to be honest. It was inflammatory. I get stupidly heated and biased when it comes to discussion on Indigenous citizens. Sorry.
It's cool, I could tell you were a bit pissed. It's a sensitive subject with no easy answers or solutions.
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Wait.... opendoor is pointing to situations where the acts were intentional. There is no comparison to the facts in this case.
And what he's saying is he doesn't believe Stanley. That's his own choice. 12 jurors, all of them, thought his testimony at a minimum raised reasonable doubt.
This is the thing. Nobody is happy about this. There is no restitution to be had here.
This is losses all around for everyone, but making it a race issue and damaging the already fragile relationship between Native communities and everyone else even further solves absolutely less than nothing.
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Lots of agendas being pushed in the media and that's the scary part
There was a good Reddit post that had links to articles showing how the narrative started to be spun the day after this happened and continued since. I’ll try to dig it up to post.
Gerald Stanley's gofundme is up to 100K. After his legal fees are paid he will have made money for killing a human being. Think about that for a minute.
It's sad that your compassion in this case only flows in one direction.
There is plenty of sadness that occurred in this case for both Stanley and Boushie.
It's sad that your compassion in this case only flows in one direction.
There is plenty of sadness that occurred in this case for both Stanley and Boushie.
It's interesting that you picked out myself out of the dozen other posters whose compassion only flows in one direction. Guess it's not the direction you care truly care about though is it?
