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The mods clearly need to take a page from the DOPS "Wheel of Justice". Inappropriate gif? Spin the wheel and get anything from a PM warning to a perma-ban.
Otherwise, I have no issue with the work the mods do, and hope they continue to keep things running smoothly around here. The removal of gifs isn't going to impact my participation on CP's in the slightest. The constant negativity is sometimes annoying to deal with, but I've learned to avoid certain threads and not get sucked into endless debates.
One last thought -- has there been any thought to imposing a nominal membership fee to sign up? It would kick in some dollars into Bingo's server fund, might provide some incentive not to be a complete jerkoff, and would help keep banned users from re-registering under new names? If it's pay-to-play, perhaps some users might be willing to play a little nicer...
If you knew the history there you would understand. I made the stupid mistake of talking career at one point and got endlessly trolled for it. If lets say you did something in service like an armed forces soldier and people constantly told you that they understood it was tough being a Boy Scout or a Mall Cop would you be offended? Honest question?
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It's random strangers on the internet using ad hominem in an argument on a flames message board. These people don't know me or my experiences. I'll never meet these people. Their opinions mean as much as the paper they're written on. No.
I'm not sure why there is so much focus on NSFW tags, I don't recall mentioning putting things behind tags was ever an issue, just so we are clear. I'm saying when even things behind tags get moderated out that's a bit much in the same vain, to protect people from feeling offended. I personally don't care what gets posted. Neither should you. Don't like it, don't click on it, but don't make the decision for me
Here's where you make the incorrect assumption that it is always done for the forum user. It isn't always; sometimes images are removed because they mess with the categorization of the site for advertising purposes. Without advertising this forum would have to resort to memberships or server fundraisers.
If you're the 19th person responding to the same message with the same general points, you're just spamming at that point, not contributing.
Part of the problem is that people see the 'offending' post at the bottom of the page, take some time to type up their reply, and all of a sudden you have about 10 people doing the exact same thing not realizing how much of a pileup it actually was, when the page reloads.
You see it all the time in a much more benevolent scenario - someone asks a simple question regarding a stat or somewhat, and you have 6 people all replying at once with the answer.
I find the best way to prevent the "accidental" dogpiling (or answering a question like 10 times) is to go into the post preview and scroll down to see if anyone's already addressed it.
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Bouncing and boobs behind NSFW tags. Phew. That was incredibly difficult. I may have to fan myself because of the sweat caused by the incredible difficulty it took to add the NSFW tags to that. I may even need a beer, to aid in the cool down. Lordy, the site owner and mods are sooooooooooo mean to me, making me work like that, to put those pics and gifs behind NSFW tags. I mean really, the NERVE.
It's random strangers on the internet using ad hominem in an argument on a flames message board. These people don't know me or my experiences. I'll never meet these people. Their opinions mean as much as the paper they're written on. No.
I guess we see things different then, there is a pride that comes with doing Service work and I wonder what kind of person ridicules someone just for the sake of trying to put them down and personally degrade them. Why? What is the end goal? Anyhow the last I am saying about that, maybe I see this community like a virtual family in a way and when someone personally attacks me on here it does emotionally bother me. If a complete stranger I have no history with in the streets says something or does something to me then that is different, I don't have years of interaction or history with them.
Part of the problem is that people see the 'offending' post at the bottom of the page, take some time to type up their reply, and all of a sudden you have about 10 people doing the exact same thing not realizing how much of a pileup it actually was, when the page reloads.
You see it all the time in a much more benevolent scenario - someone asks a simple question regarding a stat or somewhat, and you have 6 people all replying at once with the answer.
I find the best way to prevent the "accidental" dogpiling (or answering a question like 10 times) is to go into the post preview and scroll down to see if anyone's already addressed it.
Yeah there is that and I think that's unavoidable and not really a problem. Usually there aren't THAT many simultaneous replys, maybe 5-6 as you said.
There are however plenty of posters that just wont let it go if they think someone is wrong and keep at it way too long. It's not just rough for posters who post unpopular opinions, it's also kind of annoying for everyone else because it clogs up threads with repetitious posts.
It also often derails threads to talking about the minority opinion obsessively, which is annoying.
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This is an important discussion that shouldnt be derailed.
I mean the one about this forum not whatever nonsense these guys are prattling on about.
There's a few posters around that can suck the life out of any discussion with their insistent need to be right, heard or have the last say. It is brutal right now and is a much bigger problem than a bloody gif. Prime example above.
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I think the mods are doing a great job, but I agree with a previous poster who said SS' wife's gif should have stayed, but the people who posted offensive content should be disciplined/banned.
I feel that deleting the wife gif excludes her from participating in the fun, and if she's was okay with having the gif posted, then she shouldn't be the one who has to pay for other's behaviour.
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It was removed not for an infraction but for general public safety which is a legitimate reasoning.
I should like to add that in slight contrast to StrykerSteve's account of how things occurred, the GIF was not removed until after more than 24-hours, and only in anticipation that the Blues/Flames PGT would fade into the background with the onset of a new game. There was never any intention of "punishing" anyone, which is why we attempted to do this quietly, and presumably well after everyone had had their fun. StrykerSteve's post has been thanked 282 times, and the thread itself has had nearly 50,000 views. I think it is safe to presume that the vast majority of those occurred before the GIF was removed yesterday morning, so I don't believe this interferes with anyone's enjoyment or participation.
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"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
Yeah there is that and I think that's unavoidable and not really a problem. Usually there aren't THAT many simultaneous replys, maybe 5-6 as you said.
There are however plenty of posters that just wont let it go if they think someone is wrong and keep at it way too long. It's not just rough for posters who post unpopular opinions, it's also kind of annoying for everyone else because it clogs up threads with repetitious posts.
It also often derails threads to talking about the minority opinion obsessively, which is annoying.
That’s fair but, again, seems like a pretty minor annoyance rather than some existential crisis for the forum.
I know for a fact that some posters can’t stand reading my nattering posts. I take this opportunity to apologize! I don’t do it on purpose. I sometimes just can’t help myself.
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I wonder if you guys are as militant asking your FB friends to stop liking or sharing stuff that may be borderline NSFW. Wouldn't want an accidental bikini pic to pop up of someone's cousin on a beach, your friend's hunting picture next to his kill, or their immature nephew shotgunning a beer.
I agree that it is not hard to tag something nsfw.
I have a hard time understanding the need to do so, or the harm it causes in not tagging something.
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This is the only website that I'm currently a "member" of. The reason that I've stayed and visit almost every day is because of the quality of the conversations here. While many posters have come and gone I'd say the quality of the site has remained consistently high. Part of the reason is that the posters here call out others if they have claimed something without evidence or a solid, rational argument. That's how things happen in real life too. If you say something blatantly false someone will call you out on it. The mod's seem to support this and they generally allow for conversation and debate until it veers into name-calling, etc. The truth is that the culture here has made me, I believe, a better poster. It's made me take a moment to reconcile my thoughts and maybe distill my point rather than an emotional/irrational vomiting of thoughts.
I've been actively participating here for almost 15 years and in that time the norms and attitudes here have changed substantially. It used to be somewhat common to see anti-gay rhetoric but that has now changed. One of the most popular threads here used to be the 'Hot Chick' thread but that's been wiped away for a while now. Attitudes towards women and minorities have also progressed substantially here (for some). It's difficult to moderate an opinion website and manage to successfully navigate the waters of societies ever changing norms especially on a male-dominated, sports-related, testosterone fueled platform that lends itself to binary opinions. I think the mod team has been mostly successful in doing so.
I like the idea of more clarity when it comes to warnings or mod edits. Additionally, it would be nice to see fewer personal attacks. There are a few people here who end an otherwise interesting and well thought-out post with an unprovoked adder like "what a stupid opinion". I also get a little irritated by constantly seeing the same "PC SJW" stuff spouted whenever someone is no longer able to have a reasonable debate/conversation. Lastly, occasionally the mods are snarky and sarcastic. I think it sets a bad tone. Like it or not the mods do help set the tone here and for the most part they do a really good job.
Anecdotally, I came into work early one morning and wasn't able to watch the Flames play the night before. I logged on the the PGT to get a sense of what happened and the first thing that popped up when Steve's original gif. Unfortunately for me, the HR manager was walking towards me as this happened. Fortunately, she just laughed and I giggled nervously but it was kind of embarrassing. I don't think there's anything wrong with the gif myself but I think the mods made the right call by asking for nsfw tags. The subsequent gifs from Steve were hilarious.
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I also believe that the mods here do a great, if thankless job.
That having been said, there is always room for improvement.
I'd like to see more moderators (is there really such a thing as too many eyes?), and newer mods rotated in and others out (it just helps keep things fresh), perhaps two or three mods assigned to a single sub forum (where any perceived mod bias should be seen, and also, individual mods wouldn't have so much content to go through on a daily basis), more transparency for edits and bans (that will serve to inform and warn others), and finally, a zero-tolerance on repeat posters and obvious trolls (oiler fans or otherwise, surely it cant be that hard to track an IP address), but also some acceptability if they genuinely change their ways and want to return.
Finally, as Minnie and others have pointed out, if there is some software tweaks or add-ons that can help with some of the problems, or limit posts for a while, or anything like that, we should investigate it.
Someone also asked the question, "who are all the mods", and I don't think that it has been answered. I think every mod should have it in their user title.
On the whole though, posters should just simply try being nicer to one another. It's OK to have a difference of opinion, and even disagree. Where we fall down is when it gets into a pointless pissing match because we're all anonymous behind the screens. We're here to have fun and hate on Sportsnet and TSN, the Oilers, the Canucks and their fans. No need to turn on each other!
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I’m always amazed these sportscasters and announcers can call the game with McDavid’s **** in their mouths all the time.
I wonder if you guys are as militant asking your FB friends to stop liking or sharing stuff that may be borderline NSFW. Wouldn't want an accidental bikini pic to pop up of someone's cousin on a beach, your friend's hunting picture next to his kill, or their immature nephew shotgunning a beer.
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Generally my facebook friends don't post NSFW type of material. When someone consistently posts stuff on my feed that I don't want to see then I basically unfollow them.
For instance i hate to see anything about animals being hurt, or hunting photos.
But in our case we actually have a solution that on the surface meets the needs of everyone. And no one has yet to articulate what the problem with that solution is.
I think the mods to a pretty good job at what is a thankless job. In my opinion there’s about 10-15 posters on this board that have absolutely ruined the essence and spirit of this board which is translating to discontent everywhere including at the moderators. We all know generally who they are, and they rarely ever talk about
Sports, if at all (always on the off topic board or in threads with a political component on FOI). Some have even showed up in this thread trying to derail it with their own political and sociological rhetoric.
Generally this a is a sports message board which has a few off topic sections for members to discuss non-sports related topics. Most posters are pretty die hard sports fans though probably just looking for a break from their daily routine for a few minutes and want to keep it civil and respectful. They are not looking for constant political correctness, they are not looking to write essays with APA style referencing, and they certainty don’t want to have a 15 page debate with people who post 50+ times a day who refuse to ever admit their might be another opinion, be it right or wrong. They get frustrated with it, snap on one of those handful of posters, and get infractions and sometimes sin bin visits while the prime agitators walk away happy as a pig in ####. That builds up a lot of resentment, and the resentment is carried forward to future threads, and towards the mod team.
Technically these agitators have broken no rules, but are they really adding anything To the board and the community? I think they are tearing it apart. I think the moderators should really start looking at that, and maybe it’s time to start showing a few the door regardless If technically they haven’t broken any rules for the better of the board as a whole.
There’s good debate, and then there’s Taking the opposite position of everyone else on every issue and arguing it to no end. In my mind that is simply trolling
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The forum is great, and the moderating is solid. I really appreciate all the effort the mods put in to make CP the place that it is. Of course there's always room for improvement.
There's definitely been a lot more negativity around here lately. Not sure what mods can do about it though. Same with piling on.
I like the idea of more transparency when there's mod edits. Even if it just gives a little context so I can make sense of the follow up comments.
If we start using NSFW tags for things that 90% of people don't consider NSFW then start to lose meaning and just become GIF tags. While that does still have some value, such as a better mobile experience and less data usage, it is no longer useful as a warning for things that are truly NSFW.
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The reasoning behind taking Stryker Steve's gifs down is as sound as the referees giving Tkachuk the spearing major last night and the ensuing misconduct penalties as the referees were unable to endure some criticism.
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If we start using NSFW tags for things that 90% of people don't consider NSFW then start to lose meaning and just become GIF tags. While that does still have some value, such as a better mobile experience and less data usage, it is no longer useful as a warning for things that are truly NSFW.
You could put GIFs behind Spoiler tags if not NSFW.
I will note however that I don't believe the forum software prevents the loading of the GIF if it's behind a tag. It's already loaded into your browser cache when you load the page, so your data is being used whether you look at it or not.
