Not to harp on the Gaudreau body language thing, but after the two-on-one with Monahan when Sean missed the net, Johnny looked skyward and was obviously frustrated. It could have just been general disappointment with the missed chance, but it came across a little poorly to me.
I have to admit that that kind of irked me as well. That body language reminded me of Taylor Hall and the last thing I want Johnny to be is Taylor Hall. Well, the Oilers version of Taylor Hall anyway.
Someone needs to tell Debrusk he isn't in Edmonton anymore. We generally don't give out the first and third stars of the game to Flames when they lose.
Easy partner.
Debrusk is defiantly not a ####ty colour guy. He is actually really even keeled broadcaster.
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He can be both. Sulking as an action that we can all see. Frustrated is the feeling he very likely has. How he deals with it is what will make the difference for him and the team. He can sulk, like he has been (and yes I consider stick slamming and visibly upset over every missed play sulking), or he can channel the frustration into more positive action. Most psychological research would show that the latter is more likely to help him than the former.
And to clarify, there's nothing wrong with these actions in a vacuum. Stoned on that breakaway? Throw your head skyward, sure. Miss that open net? Slam your stick. But when it happens over and over, multiple times per shift, it gets tired for the people surrounding you. Once or twice a game, you'll have someone come over to you, give you a pat, tell you it's OK and that you'll get em next time. But no one is doing that every shift for you, and teammates/coaches/fans get fed up with it pretty quickly (not saying this is happening, but obviously some of us fans are picking up on it, it would surprise me if the team isn't getting a least a little annoyed by it). It tends to drain the energy of a bench to not only see your best player struggle, but to see them dealing with it in a pretty poor way. And it certainly does nothing to help yourself. Frustration is a by product that can't be avoided, but it can be dealt with in a number of ways. SOme of us don't really like how Johnny is dealing with it, especially ebcause we've seen him deal with it better in the very recent past.
And he's not even struggling that hard. 7 points in 10 games is good, especially while looking pretty bad doing it. Relax kid. Put a smile on. Laugh off that pass that didn't work and try it again. It's a game.
you're telling him to relax and then grilling him because his "body language" doesn't suit what you want.
you're telling him to relax and then grilling him when he looks frustrated when he's not playing well
he's an athlete that wants to win
Explain to me how constant stick slamming and pleas skyward help him or the team win.
I have zero problem his frustration. There's nothing you can do about the way you feel. There is something you can do about how you choose to deal with that frustration. Some of us don't like how he seems to be dealing with it. Plenty of studies will show it's not the optimal form of doing so.
I'm not grilling him. I'm explaining the common effect constant outbursts of frustration can have on yourself and a team mentality. It's a pretty well-documented thing.
You used Iggy as an example. When he got pissed, he took it out on the other team, not himself. Johnny of the last 2 seasons did too. If the puck got stripped from him he would throw on the breaks and very often catch the guy that did it and steal it back. Where did that go? I haven't seen it much of at all this season.
Any other player and we wouldn't have little comments trying to negativity from a player's expression. Instead we'd be complimenting the likes of Backlund for wearing the heart on their sleeve and whatnot.
Johnny looks like he's on the edge of between breaking out and gripping the stick too hard. It's a fine line that nobody knows the perfect solution to otherwise it wouldn't be an issue for any athlete in all sports.
I am as big a fan of Gaudreau as Gaudreaovertime, but Johnny played terrible tonight. Alot of passes to no where, out muscled on the puck. Monahan played brutal as well.
The only forwards that played good were Backlund & Frolik.
Terrible waste of a stellar goaltending performance by Elliot, who played awesome.
This team was very sloppy tonight. Unacceptable when Washington plays the night before and gets into town at 1:30am. The Flames players looked like they drank alot last night!
Interesting that he/she hasn't posted in over 2 weeks and really hasn't done much since the contract came in. Between the slipups in the posts and the aggressive spin doctoring it seems as though this was some sort of amateur strategy to try and leverage the fan market in the contract negotiations.
That said, I think it failed and there is a lingering effect. Even in the hospital threads there are comments about Gaudreau and his committment to the city and the fans.
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i honestly can't believe we are having this discussion
he is not working at a 9-5 office job. this is hockey. a sport of pure emotion.
sometimes it spills in the other direction.
Yeah, and as a professional athlete, he would be better off trying to keep it under control and channeling the frustration positively.
Like I said, a few times a game, yes, it will spill over and that's OK. His team will have his back through those times. But it's almost every shift. He's digging himself a hole. That's where it becomes a problem.
This is not office work team-building strategy. This is very well documented psychological effects of working with a team in high level competition like sports. There's a whole field of psychology dedicated to this stuff. Sports psychology. It's a thing. This is what they say. I've talked to them and sat through courses and training seminars with them. It's not voodoo.
What is hard to believe about the discussion? You don't think body language and general attitude has an affect on yourself and those around you in pretty much any setting. It's amplified in sports BECAUSE of the highly competitive nature and the close-knit structure of a team, not lessened.
Yeah, and as a professional athlete, he would be better off trying to keep it under control and channeling the frustration positively.
Like I said, a few times a game, yes, it will spill over and that's OK. His team will have his back through those times. But it's almost every shift. He's digging himself a hole. That's where it becomes a problem.
This is not office work team-building strategy. This is very well documented psychological effects of working with a team in high level competition like sports. There's a whole field of psychology dedicated to this stuff. Sports psychology. It's a thing. This is what they say. I've talked to them and sat through courses and training seminars with them. It's not voodoo.
What is hard to believe about the discussion? You don't think body language and general attitude has an affect on yourself and those around you in pretty much any setting. It's amplified in sports BECAUSE of the highly competitive nature and the close-knit structure of a team, not lessened.
in hockey, boisterous celebrations, swearing, breaking your stick over the net, etc., are all common, particularly at the professional level.
if the team is somehow becoming demoralized because johnny slammed his stick to the ice, then he isn't the problem.
this is absolutely ridiculous. this is like when people were upset because of how gulutzan looked on the bench after a goal against. this fan base has weird preoccupation with how people look when things aren't going well for them.
nobody in hockey looks more upset to be on the ice than jonathan toews, yet he has been regarded as a great leader.
in hockey, boistrous celebrations, swearing, breaking your stick over the net, etc., are all common, particularly at the professional level.
if the team is somehow becoming demoralized because johnny slammed his stick to the ice, then he isn't the problem.
this is absolutely ridiculous. this is like when people were upset because of how gulutzan looked on the bench after a goal against. this fan base has weird preoccupation with how people look when things aren't going well for them.
nobody in hockey looks more upset to be on the ice than jonathan toews, yet he has been regarded as a great leader.
I'm not saying it's affecting the team overall (although if it goes on too long, it most definitely will IMO). For now, I think it's just affecting himself. I'm not saying he's on some crazy downward spiral from which there is no escape or something. Just that he's not helping himself by doing this consistently. If you don't believe that, fine. I do.
Toews is doing this every shift? News to me. There's a line, Johnny has been over it for the past few games IMO. I just think he needs to rally himself and get his emotions a bit more in check. I'm not vilifying him in any way. Just that I think he'd be better served trying to react more positively to his and his teammates mistakes. If you want to see him slam his stick or sulk after every missed play, his fault or not, enjoy.
This issue has not been brought up during Gaudreau tenure with the Flames until now, but apparently it's a chronic problem?
I believe in sports psychology. I don't however believe that there is one response that works for every player, or that being visibly upset with a bad play is even bad reaction psychologically. People deal with their problems differently.
I don't blame Gaudreau for being frustrated. I can think of a few times tonight where he made a couple great moves to get set up only to have no support. He wasn't amazing but he wasn't the biggest problem on that line. Has Monahan had one good game yet this year? I'd love to see Bennett or Backlund play with Gaudreau.
Elliott was solid again tonight. Outside of Giordano and Monahan I don't think anyone was horrible tonight. Gio is trying hard but he's not making smart decisions right now. Bad passes, bad pinches etc.
Yeah, and as a professional athlete, he would be better off trying to keep it under control and channeling the frustration positively.
Like I said, a few times a game, yes, it will spill over and that's OK. His team will have his back through those times. But it's almost every shift. He's digging himself a hole. That's where it becomes a problem.
This is not office work team-building strategy. This is very well documented psychological effects of working with a team in high level competition like sports. There's a whole field of psychology dedicated to this stuff. Sports psychology. It's a thing. This is what they say. I've talked to them and sat through courses and training seminars with them. It's not voodoo.
What is hard to believe about the discussion? You don't think body language and general attitude has an affect on yourself and those around you in pretty much any setting. It's amplified in sports BECAUSE of the highly competitive nature and the close-knit structure of a team, not lessened.
I thought the Caps were miles ahead of the Flames in terms of effectiveness in the offensive zone. There were times, five on five, when it seemed like the Caps were on a power play.
The score was very flattering to the Flames. If it wasn't for the outstanding play of Elliott, it could have been a blowout for the Caps.
In my mind the only Flame apart from Elliott, that consistently showed promise throughout the game, was Backlund.
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I thought the Devils were miles ahead of the Flames in terms of effectiveness in the offensive zone. There were times, five on five, when it seemed like the Devils were on a power play.
The score was very flattering to the Flames. If it wasn't for the outstanding play of Elliott, it could have been a blowout for the Devils.
In my mind the only Flame apart from Elliott, that consistently showed promise throughout the game, was Backlund.
