QOTD: Pucks off skates

[calgarygeologist]

As mentioned above by PH.D, kicking the puck is not against the rules in hockey and I think it should be fine to kick the puck into the net. I don't like the idea of imposing some sort of "skate off the ice" rule because that just adds ambiguity much like the current "distinct kicking motion" rule. The only goals that should be disallowed are pucks thrown or swatted into the net by a hand and high sticking goals.

[Nage Waza]

The problem with kicking in the puck is that you cannot defend against the foot, otherwise you will likely get a tripping penalty. You can use your stick to interfere with the opponents stick, but if you yank their leg up to defend against a kick?

I think deflections should count but not distinctive kicks.

[Joborule]

I think anything you can do to move a puck to a teammate, should be allowed in moving the puck into the net.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by jeffman

Didnt Gaudreau have a similar goal disallowed earlier this season?

Yup. Can't remember when though

[AC]

Here's the goal again for those that want to see it:

[Fan in Exile]

I think "the distinct kicking motion" is the problem with the rule. I think you shouldn't be allowed to direct the puck into the goal with your hand or your foot/skate. Incidental contact is okay but where you change the angle of your skate, drag your foot or push it forward (like last night), that shouldn't be allowed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

I think "the distinct kicking motion" is the problem with the rule. I think you shouldn't be allowed to direct the puck into the goal with your hand or your foot/skate. Incidental contact is okay but where you change the angle of your skate, drag your foot or push it forward (like last night), that shouldn't be allowed.

This is still too subject to individual interpretation, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Gaskal

It went in off his inside foot, not his outside. Which appeared to have shifted forward just before contact with the puck. That's pretty fishy as is.

I would have no problem with adjusting the role to eliminate any goal in which
· the puck is stationary and propelled into the net by a skate.
· the puck is deflected in off the inside of a non-stationary skate blade.

There are still bound to be some missed calls which result from incidental contact, but to me this would ensure that the call is right more times than it is wrong.

[Boblobla]

I picked anything goes but I meant to pick anything but glove...

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by jeffman
Didnt Gaudreau have a similar goal disallowed earlier this season?

Here's the goal at about the 1:30 mark.



http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/games/1443753

[getbak]

The league changed the standard by which the rule is being enforced this season, so it doesn't matter if you've seen it called differently in the past (unless it was previously this season).

From what I've seen this season, the new standard is if the player's skate remains in contact with the ice immediately prior to and immediately following the contact with the puck (or close enough that it's hard to say if the skate was off the ice), it will be considered a good goal.


I can't find a video of the Gaudreau goal in Anaheim, but here's a photo of it:


His blade was off the ice as he brought his foot forward, so it was waived off. Last night, Karlsson's blade was "on the ice" (or close enough) during the entire play that it is what is now considered a good goal.



Personally, I'd prefer them to make the rule of enforcement much stricter. Hockey is supposed to be about playing the puck with your stick and scoring by propelling the puck into the net with your stick. However, I also realize that my opinion is increasingly the minority opinion on the issue.

The most important thing is that there's a consistency in the enforcement of the rule, regardless of what the standard of enforcement is.

[Wolven]

I really do not like this current iteration of the kicking rule. The Karlsson goal definitely met the criteria (for me) where a player was intentionally using his foot to shoot the puck into the net. If that is going to be allowed, that may as well open the flood gates and allow all of the goals where the puck goes in off the skate and wait for the next big injury to reverse the rule. The plus side to this is that it would be very clear as to the rule and there wouldn't need to be any interpretation from officials.

My vote isn't really on the list. I would prefer to define the rule as "reversing any goal where the player intentionally uses his skate to get the puck into the net". If a player's skate is hit by a point shot and the contact looks to be incidental then I would allow the goal. The down side is that the officials would still be able to make the wrong call.

Looking at Karlsson's goal again - I would be dissatisfied if that was allowed as a cup winning goal (again).

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

As long as the skate doesn't leave the ice, it's a goal.

Skate leaves ice, you're risking serious injury to an opposing goaltender or a shotblocker and that's very dangerous. That's why the no-kicking rule exists. Discourage plays like that by keeping the rule.

I like the concept of the rule reading if the skate leaves the ice rather than distinct kicking motion

[#-3]

Letter of the law, they got the one last night wrong, and it will be terrible if SJ beats us to the playoffs by 1 point. But mistakes happen and I like the rule the way it is.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

As long as the skate doesn't leave the ice, it's a goal.

Skate leaves ice, you're risking serious injury to an opposing goaltender or a shotblocker and that's very dangerous. That's why the no-kicking rule exists. Discourage plays like that by keeping the rule.

Thanks for this post. I've actually never considered the safety aspect of having pucks kicked in from mid air.

They had an interesting discussion on this during the HNIC show last night. One of the panelists was of the opinion that it should be a goal regardless of how the puck goes in. I tend to agree, but in light of the above post I think there should indeed be caveats. Outside of kicking it in with a raised skate, I think goals should be allowed however the puck enters the net.

[dissentowner]

The game is hockey, not soccer. Thus I vote for #1.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Put me in for allowing all goals off of skates as long as they don't leave the ice. That way you avoid the safety concern and remove all judgement calls from these types of goals

[Coach]

No goals off hands or skates period would do a lot to keep things clear. Accidental or not. If it hits the glove, or the boot of the skate, no goal.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MattyC

No goals off hands or skates period would do a lot to keep things clear. Accidental or not. If it hits the glove, or the boot of the skate, no goal.

I like this idea, but the only reason for the change in the first place was to placate all the "we need more scoring!" crowd. This was not a good way to do that

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by AC

Here's the goal again for those that want to see it:

He definitely and intentionally kicked it in, but under the rules (if in fact the skate has to leave the ice to be deemed a "kicking action") its still a goal.
They need to change the rule.

I voted for #1.

[CaptainYooh]

Anything but glove. Eliminates a lot of unnecessary review time and interpretation errors.