Ok, I've been thinking on this for awhile and Walken and co. basically forced me to create a thread. I had to do it.
Essentially this thread is a historical "bring it" for Flames fans.
An old preview from the 1999-2000 season.
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Who knew that Grant Fuhr would one day be the source of inspiration, rather than humiliation, for the Flames? Fuhr, who spent the better part of his 18-year goaltending career shutting down Calgary en route to winning five Stanley Cups in Edmonton, was acquired by the Flames from the Blues for a third-round draft choice on Sept. 4.
Ah ****
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While Calgary boasts a veteran defense anchored by Steve Smith and Phil Housley, its offense is characterized by youth and inexperience. That can translate into an inability to execute: Witness a 12-game stretch last spring in which the Flames scored just 17 goals. At 29, Steve Dubinsky is Calgary's oldest forward; after 22-year-old wing Jarome Iginla, who had 28 goals last year, 25-year-old forward Cory Stillman (27 goals) is the Flames' most promising scoring threat.
This made me howl the most though.....
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The all-rookie line of the team's last three No. 1 picks -- Daniel Tkachuk, Rico Fata and Oleg Saprykin -- has been impressive in camp and may end up being the No. 1 line.
C'mon, post your fondest/worst memories of the "Young Guns"
In 1998/99, Clake Wilm won his roster spot over players like Sergei Varlamov and Travis Brigley. Rico Fata and Martin St. Louis began the journey but both returned to junior and the minors respectively, leaving Wilm to carry the torch of the rookies forward.
Time to take a walk Flames fans. Remember any of this stuff?
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While Calgary boasts a veteran defense anchored by Steve Smith and Phil Housley, its offense is characterized by youth and inexperience. That can translate into an inability to execute: Witness a 12-game stretch last spring in which the Flames scored just 17 goals.
I remember that well. It was a brutal stretch, and there were a few just like it.
You know too that half the people demanding a youth movement will be smashing their TVs on the lawn once the inevitable terrible streaks happen. And a good portion of the rest will just disappear until the team is good again like in 2004. Iknow most of them say they won't give up during the 3-5 year rebuild, and I think they really believe that, but it happened last time and I am sure it will happen again.
I love hearing about the old expectations. I came across a bunch of my old magazines from the 1990s when I was moving, but I had to get rid of them. I read a couple beforehand though. One of the season previews had compared Stillman to Sakic. They also talked about how Iginla was in Brian Sutter's doghouse because he was a lazy player and had to apply himself better. I know that describes a lot of young players, but people often forget that Iginla went through his fair share of growing pains as a young player.
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I remember that well. It was a brutal stretch, and there were a few just like it.
You know too that half the people demanding a youth movement will be smashing their TVs on the lawn once the inevitable terrible streaks happen. And a good portion of the rest will just disappear until the team is good again like in 2004. Iknow most of them say they won't give up during the 3-5 year rebuild, and I think they really believe that, but it happened last time and I am sure it will happen again.
I love hearing about the old expectations. I came across a bunch of my old magazines from the 1990s when I was moving, but I had to get rid of them. I read a couple beforehand though. One of the season previews had compared Stillman to Sakic. They also talked about how Iginla was in Brian Sutter's doghouse because he was a lazy player and had to apply himself better. I know that describes a lot of young players, but people often forget that Iginla went through his fair share of growing pains as a young player.
Haha, surely you jest. 90% of flames fans would tolerate a rebuild.....
The Flames were primed to score more goals on Weimer's line. Fact remains is they didn't.
The only time the Flames ever made noise was with a sniper winger and an elite goalie (who shall remain unnamed) The two guys who need to be traded, ironically.
I'd love to see a bunch of Wilm, Shantz, Dubinskys come down the pipe. Bring on 7 more seasons!
Todd Simpson, Valeri Bure, Chris Dingman, etc.
Fans can cheer for a rebuild, but they might not have witnessed how the previous one went either.
I love hearing about the old expectations. I came across a bunch of my old magazines from the 1990s when I was moving, but I had to get rid of them.I read a couple beforehand though. One of the season previews had compared Stillman to Sakic. hey also talked about how Iginla was in Brian Sutter's doghouse because he was a lazy player and had to apply himself better. I know that describes a lot of young players, but people often forget that Iginla went through his fair share of growing pains as a young player.
This was basically quoted in a Blaze magazine when we had Guy Charron coaching as well.
I guess Iginla has made it to the HOF while being a lazy player for the majority of his career.
I never could figure out who that last pathetic soul left sitting on the bench was.
Boughner taunting the bench was frikkin awesome.
Seeing Sarge makes me sad.
Seeing Giguere lose his shutout for third man in makes me LOL.
And who was Vernon's Backup?
Remember when the Flames had Wregget as their #1?
Supposedly Fuhr was better, and thus Brathwaite "emerged"
I really hope fans are ready for this. Calgary has made some hilarious trades in their time. Feaster is probably eyeing up Conklin to round out the squad......
Hey, from 1993 - 1996 the Flames were a playoff team.
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You know what though. I really enjoyed the game more then. There was zero expectations on the team, and you went to the game to see some hockey, and have a good time, if they won... great, but they were at such a disadvantage because of economics, you couldn't hold it against them when they lost. Plus that era had genuine fans. Anyone that was paying to see that product, truly cared. It wasn't the duckface / self portrait / with the ice in the background place to be seen.
I actually have some really fond memories of that era, because the team was such a rag tag, cobbled together, piece of crap... especially in the late 90's. Kinda like a beat up old car you didn't have the heart to get rid of.
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You know what though. I really enjoyed the game more then. There was zero expectations on the team, and you went to the game to see some hockey, and have a good time, if they won... great, but they were at such a disadvantage because of economics, you couldn't hold it against them when they lost. Plus that era had genuine fans. Anyone that was paying to see that product, truly cared. It wasn't the duckface / self portrait / with the ice in the background place to be seen.
I actually have some really fond memories of that era, because the team was such a rag tag, cobbled together, piece of crap... especially in the late 90's. Kinda like a beat up old car you didn't have the heart to get rid of.
It was an awesome/or ####ty time for Flames fans. They hit rock bottom after the cup win and tried to recoup for so many years.
I miss the old hot stove lounge. $4 pitchers. It was just a different time for fans, but the casual bandwagoner decided to abandon ship.
Tough economic times in the 90's, but hey, Calgarians helped keep the oilers in edmonton.........
Wasn't it Jukka Hentunen? An older player the Flames drafted and brought over for one year? I think it was probably this game that scared him back.
It was totally Hentunen. It's basically the impending doom for Ramo, although some may still think he can come into Calgary and rip it up. Gaudreau is basically the same thing in the 4th round.
Calgary won't improve until they trade picks for picks. It also stands to reason that Renaud or Pelawa would have been decent, but it's the same story/worse as Blake Geoffrion (sp)
Hell, Chucko retired at 25 yrs/old.
I can't trust Calgary to make a first round draft pick that will make a difference in their lineup in 2 seasons. Sven might even bust as well.
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Moen is the only player of those 60 I listed that has a cup.
I am going to try and run the numbers for other teams in the next few days, but Calgary's drafting in any round has been crippling. It doesn't seem to matter if they accumulate picks or not.
They just can't make the right decision, no matter where they sit in the standings. Anyone hoping for losses needs to realize this team can't draft players no matter what spot they sit in.
Tod Button is still around somehow.......
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I totally forgot about Igor (Gary) Kravchuk. That guy had a lot of haters, but I kind of liked him. He seemed like a nice guy in all the interviews.
I also remember Stillman had a lot of haters, but in retrospect, we'd be lucky to draft a player as good as he was in any round.
It's funny when you look back and see how many good players went through Calgary only to have greater success once they left. We can talk about drafting and money being the key issues (which they they were big ones for sure), but management made some terrible decisions. Not referring to the Stillman trade as it worked out good for us, but St. Louis, Savard, Nylander, Giguere, and Roloson were all assets that were not managed well. Add to that, players that we acquired that never came as advertised (Weimer, Nazarov, Corbet, Special Nieds, Leeman if you go back far enough), the past management sucked at assessing talent.
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I totally forgot about Igor (Gary) Kravchuk. That guy had a lot of haters, but I kind of liked him. He seemed like a nice guy in all the interviews.
I also remember Stillman had a lot of haters, but in retrospect, we'd be lucky to draft a player as good as he was in any round.
It's funny when you look back and see how many good players went through Calgary only to have greater success once they left. We can talk about drafting and money being the key issues (which they they were big ones for sure), but management made some terrible decisions. Not referring to the Stillman trade as it worked out good for us, but St. Louis, Savard, Nylander, Giguere, and Roloson were all assets that were not managed well. Add to that, players that we acquired that never came as advertised (Weimer, Nazarov, Corbet, Leeman if you go back far enough), the past management sucked at assessing talent.
You're kind of all over the map in your triple post, what exactly is your point? That the Flames haven't been good at drafting in later rounds?
Their previous draft picks in rounds 5-9 are hardly the problem. They actually managed to draft some full time NHLers which is about as much as you can ask for in those rounds. It's their lack of success in the first round, and total lack of second round picks period that are the problem. After those rounds, they probably look like any other team success-wise
You're kind of all over the map in your triple post, what exactly is your point? That the Flames haven't been good at drafting in later rounds?
Their previous draft picks in rounds 5-9 are hardly the problem. They actually managed to draft some full time NHLers which is about as much as you can ask for in those rounds. It's their lack of success in the first round, and total lack of second round picks period that are the problem. After those rounds, they probably look like any other team success-wise
I don't have a point really man. It's just the fact that since the "Young guns" the flames haven't drafted anyone of impact. At all. Brodie is basically the only one that will hopefully break the cycle.