U.S. again bombs mourners

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I only tell this story to make my point more emphatic: Killing people (yes, people) on a basis as arbitrary as funeral attendance is a crime against decency and humanity. Its appalling. It is every bit as horrific as killing people because they work in a World Trade Center tower.

The only question then becomes is if it really was that arbitrary?

[Regulator75]

Starting now, if I was a terrorist I would only have my meetings in a cemetery.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Sowa

The only question then becomes is if it really was that arbitrary?

Yes, that is the question. If it is based only on funeral attendance, it is clearly arbitrary (for example, my grandfather was a prick, but, as a filial grandson, I still had to attend his funeral). However, if the strikes are more targeted, and based on actual intelligence, perhaps they aren't arbitrary. So far though, based on the reporting, it seems completely arbitrary.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

It must be nice living in a black and white world.

I dare you to put some porn images through photoshop and make the contrast two-tone pure black and white and then say the same thing.

[nik-]

All I care about is not having Canadian troop, monetary aid or advisors in Afghanistan. #### that place, let them continue their tribal conflicts and keep us out of that morass.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by nik-

All I care about is not having Canadian troop, monetary aid or advisors in Afghanistan. #### that place, let them continue their tribal conflicts and keep us out of that morass.

Its a bit late for that, no? It hardly seems fair to me to invade a territory tens of thousands of kilometres away, overthrow their (admittedly horrific) state, and then just abandon them to anarchy and chaos. No, I disagree. It was a big decision to join the intervention in Afghanistan, and now (morally) we need to see it through somehow (after tens of thousands of Afghans have died.)

[nik-]

Naw, I think the experiment has failed, like it failed for the British and the Russians. We should just leave.

[FlamesAddiction]

Perfect timing...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...na-afghan.html

[valo403]

Originally Posted by nik-

Naw, I think the experiment has failed, like it failed for the British and the Russians. We should just leave.

I really hope that nobody in a position of authority ever considered the Afghanistan mission to be an "experiment"

[CaptainCrunch]

If the Afghanistan's think that Western troops are bad, wait until they get a load of the PLA if they ever deploy to Afghanistan to "Protect Chinese Interest"/"help the people of Afghanistan".

PLA troops are hardly lauded for their errrr relations with civilians.

[Vulcan]

The West spends money, lives and years to stabilize Afghanistan and than China moves in to collect the spoils. I think we are doing something wrong.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by valo403

I really hope that nobody in a position of authority ever considered the Afghanistan mission to be an "experiment"

What else is it? It certainly wasn't a proven certainty.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think the fact Obama continues to obliterate Muslims, both terrorists and not, should pretty much end the whole "He's a Muslim" claim.

As to the story itself, I mean I know this is gonna sound heartless but this is war, and this is the cost of war. It sucks but innocents die in every war.

I don't think it's any longer a war as we knew it. War used to be when someone committed a physical action and you countered. The War on Terror stopped being such a war a long time ago. It has now become a war on ideas and thought. Obama has taken things to the level where he has killed people who have not lifted a finger, and for whom there is no evidence that what they said resulted in any American deaths.

Everyone should be very fearful of how far the Obama administration has taken, and future US administrations will take, this "War on Terror."

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Hans Landa

What's the solution?

Pull out and leave? Will that change anything?



Taking the fight to their soil is what keeps them off of ours.
The fight will always be somewhere... better there than here.

I get a kick out of the leftist oikophobes who hate their own civilization.
Western civilization is the most free, the most advanced and the most open-minded civilization on the planet.

People need to pick a side. Seems many people who enjoy being part of the most amazing civilization on earth do nothing but run to the defense of the civilizations and cultures that would destroy our way of life if they were allowed to come here and outnumber us (oh wait... we do allow this it seems).

All that said, I would say Pakistan, on average, is more Western thinking than most countries in that region of the world, so I'm not directing my rhetoric towards Pakistan specifically.

Regardless of how you look at it... it's either there or here.
I know who's side I want to be on. Let the bombs fall where they may, because they're always going to be falling somewhere in the world.

The fight won't end up on our soil if we screened immigrants better or prevented people with terrorist ties from entering our country. Accepting immigrants from countries that don't house or have a history of housing terrorists is more effective than travelling to these hostile countries and killing innocent people. I would be mad too if my fellow countrymen were getting killed for no reason by drones.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by nik-

All I care about is not having Canadian troop, monetary aid or advisors in Afghanistan. #### that place, let them continue their tribal conflicts and keep us out of that morass.

If you think pulling out of there is going to stop the conflict you're wrong. U.S. and Canada pull out, radical muslims take it back, their mandate is to kill all infidals, terrorism ramps up on U.S. or Canadian soil. They will not stop just because we leave, they will get stronger and take the fight to us.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

If you think pulling out of there is going to stop the conflict you're wrong. U.S. and Canada pull out, radical muslims take it back, their mandate is to kill all infidals, terrorism ramps up on U.S. or Canadian soil. They will not stop just because we leave, they will get stronger and take the fight to us.

What I'm saying is that nothing is going to stop the conflict. Conflict is ingrained in the region and particularly Afghanistan. Staying or leaving, it won't matter. So I'd rather we leave.

[freedogger]

Yep, we were in Iraq in several capacities which are mentioned in this article:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...e20060323.html

[Kavvy]

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but Colbert did an segment on the OP, I guess Obama has authorized more drone strikes then Bush and killed only "single digits" number of civilians, ..... however, any male in a building hit by a drone who was over the age of majority is considered a combatant and has to be proved, after their death of course, to be a non-combatant, or they don't count as a civilian!


This is like having a trial that uses the guilty until proven innocent methodology, but starts with the execution.


There were lots of references to Obama using this killing method to keep Gitmo free to keep his base happy, which I don't believe.



I understand war isn't black and white, and I appear very one sided in my points above, and Obama probably has to consider factors we will never know about, but this on the surface doesn't look good to me. Anyway, I thought it was relevant to the OP.

[PIMking]

we're not at war with Pakistan, hell they're suppose to be our allies. Allies that harbor the most wanted man in the world and lie about it. Allies that take our federal aid and funnel it to the terrorists, allies that sell the pieces of the stealth helicopter to the chinese... yeah allies.....

doesn't matter, we're not at war with Pakistan, therefore were shouldn't be bombing them and the civilians shouldn't be killed.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Azure

http://www.salon.com/2012/06/04/obam...ers/singleton/

Agree/disagree? Obviously nobody agrees with civilians being killed, but when someone shows up the mourn for a know terrorist, I guess the Obama Administration feels they are terrorists as well.

I said in the other thread that Obama is ruthless when it comes to the WoT. Might be in a nice way to describe him.

I say #### 'em. Shoot them all.

The fact is that villagers know when there is going to be an ambush and those that want nothing to do with it, get the hell out. Chances are that if you are around when an ambush takes place... you're part of it.
As for blowing up people attending the funeral of a known terrorist... kill them too. Don't want to end up dead? Don't hang around with terrorists.

I have a brother-in-law who's in Afghanistan right now. He's a combat medic working for a private contractor. Their policy is "If someone appears to be a threat... shoot first and ask questions later." I say go for it. The next time I see my brother-in-law I don't want to see him in a coffin.

Stay safe bro!!!!