Hilary Clinton: 'I’m in and I’m in to win' - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Stranger · 01-20-2007, 09:30 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16720167/

She'll start as the democratic front runner, but I still can't see her winning.

Devils'Advocate · 01-20-2007, 09:59 AM

This was said 2 years ago and probably still stands true:
Clinton has got what it takes to win the Democratic primaries, but not the presidency.
McCain has got what it takes to win the presidency, but not the Republican primaries.

Table 5 · 01-20-2007, 10:08 AM

What should be an easy win for the Democrats presidentially will be ruined because Hillary is placing herself above the needs of her party and her country. If the Hillary is the Democratic ticket, then I just don't see them winning.

kermitology · 01-20-2007, 11:08 AM

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What should be an easy win for the Democrats presidentially will be ruined because Hillary is placing herself above the needs of her party and her country. If the Hillary is the Democratic ticket, then I just don't see them winning.

God forbid she win too.. She'd be horrible at trying to get the US out of the mess they are in considering their foreign policy right now. Obama shouldn't do it either. I think it needs to be a Republican who's sole job is to get the US out of Iraq tactfully.

Stranger · 01-20-2007, 11:17 AM

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God forbid she win too.. She'd be horrible at trying to get the US out of the mess they are in considering their foreign policy right now. Obama shouldn't do it either. I think it needs to be a Republican who's sole job is to get the US out of Iraq tactfully.

I'd have to agree with the point about Hilary being president. If you want to further divide an already divided nation, vote for her. Republicans hate her and many democrats wouldn't support her either. Plus she carries too much baggage from Bill's presidency.

Iowa_Flames_Fan · 01-20-2007, 11:17 AM

^^Well, forgive my skepticism, but I actually think a change of direction is what's sorely needed, both domestically and abroad. Somebody to restore the people's trust in the White House as well as repairing the U.S.' image in the world. I don't know if Hillary is that person, but FWIW she's probably the most conservative of the democratic candidates, particularly on Iraq.

I'm a fan of Obama myself. That guy is soooo dreamy!

kermitology · 01-20-2007, 11:29 AM

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^^Well, forgive my skepticism, but I actually think a change of direction is what's sorely needed, both domestically and abroad. Somebody to restore the people's trust in the White House as well as repairing the U.S.' image in the world. I don't know if Hillary is that person, but FWIW she's probably the most conservative of the democratic candidates, particularly on Iraq.

I'm a fan of Obama myself. That guy is soooo dreamy!

Bush has put the Republicans in a really tough spot. They've lost a lot of support over the war, so they're in a real fight to win the presidency again. But putting Clinton or Obama in there is a horrible horrible idea. Obama is so attractive because he hasn't really taken a hard stance on anything, so no one can attack him. But if either of them are elected they are so far in over their heads it can only end in disaster for the US.

Vulcan · 01-20-2007, 11:29 AM

I don't know that much about Hillary's policies but if it's a package deal with Bill pulling most of the strings, I wouldn't be upset. Don't know anything about Obama except he's green and popular. John Edwards would be a good choice.

Vulcan · 01-20-2007, 11:33 AM

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Bush has put the Republicans in a really tough spot. They've lost a lot of support over the war, so they're in a real fight to win the presidency again. But putting Clinton or Obama in there is a horrible horrible idea. Obama is so attractive because he hasn't really taken a hard stance on anything, so no one can attack him. But if either of them are elected they are so far in over their heads it can only end in disaster for the US.

Nobody could be in over their heads more than Bush. Hilary should do well with Bill keeping her on track.

La Flames Fan · 01-20-2007, 11:49 AM

While I would consider myself a "Democrat", I don't think Hillary is either good nor popular enough to be president/win.

I'm not sure why the media wants her to be and run for President so bad because the people I speak to have no desire to vote for her. She is quite disliked.

I look at the field of other Democrats like Chris Dodd, Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Biden and I like the looks of them rather than Hillary. Obama may very well take the ticket with his charisma alone. Edwards is a underdog who may actually surprise some people. Kucinich doesn't have a chance in hell, but he will certainly raise some great ideas and pressure other candidates. Biden is the other who may just give the top ones a run for their money. He's well experienced, has held good positions and seems to have a good following.

I don't see a Hillary Clinton in all of this. I don't think it would be smart to have her as the ticket there are a lot of people with a lot of distaste for her.

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The Republicans got handed a can of WHOOPASS this last election cycle. It was fairly well known the Dems would take the congress but they took the senate too which was incredible. The American people said Change the Direction. I actually disagree that this is a Republican party issue to figure out in terms of Iraq. Clearly, almost four years later, they haven't been correct in any of their choices. While the President gathers a group of people to look over Iraq, they suggest ideas - most having the words redeployment or phased withdrawl. What does the President do, ignore them completely and send some 20,000 more troops to Iraq.

Even Republican leaders like Chuck Hagel cannot understand why. The top generals when the war began and the recently let-go Abizaid (sp?) said that to truly "win" in Iraq you have to have anywhere from 200,000 to 450,000 troops on the ground. This paltry 20,000 who will go to Iraq will make no difference and only put more American lives in danger. Yet there are still Republicans who think this is a great plan. John McCain, Rich Santorum, Bill Frist all stand by the President.

The Republicans have had their chance to change the course in Iraq, but it's getting worse, this can no longer be put in the hands of the rightwing.

blankall · 01-20-2007, 01:08 PM

I think the thing the democrats were missing the most last time was charisma. This became blatantly clear in presidential debates last year. Hillary Clinton has considerably more charisma than many other candidates (w/ the exception of Obama, who I just dont think America is ready for yet, plus he is still very young). I think she has just as good a chance as anyone of winning.

As for Iraq it has always been a no-win situation. You leave saddam in power he persecutes his population and threatens the rest of the world. You take him out it leaves a power void that creates the constant threat of militant extremeists. Militants who dont care about their own people as long as they can create chaos.

notoepik · 01-20-2007, 01:18 PM

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Nobody could be in over their heads more than Bush. Hilary should do well with Bill keeping her on track.

Why do you think Bill would be pulling the strings if Hillary runs? I don't think she would allow that. She has surrounded herself with her own advisers and handlers. They might want it to appear as though Bill has some influence on Hillary, but I think she is the boss.

Vulcan · 01-20-2007, 01:41 PM

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Why do you think Bill would be pulling the strings if Hillary runs? I don't think she would allow that. She has surrounded herself with her own advisers and handlers. They might want it to appear as though Bill has some influence on Hillary, but I think she is the boss.

Because he's the man.

I think as a team they would be stronger, both in appearance and practically. Maybe, if she is elected, Bill should be give a cabinet post so he's officially involved.

notoepik · 01-20-2007, 01:46 PM

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Because he's the man.

EEK!

You do know Hill is a femanist, and doesn't feel she needs a man anymore than a fish needs a bicycle.

Vulcan · 01-20-2007, 01:55 PM

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EEK!

You do know Hill is a femanist, and doesn't feel she needs a man anymore than a fish needs a bicycle.

Yeah, I know, the smilie wasn't meant to laugh at women but just to show how outrageous my statement was while doing a little teasing.

Slava · 01-21-2007, 01:25 PM

I think that Hilary has as much support as she is going to get. If Barack runs a good race through the primaries then he could take the nomination. The question is can either candidate take the Red states?

Displaced Flames fan · 01-21-2007, 01:31 PM

She'll have her hands full with her democratic counterparts who have already announced as well (Obama, Edwards, Richardson).

Nobody on the other side of the aisle that has declared will be getting my vote. The Republicans have to find somebody fresh. Where is J.C. Watts when you need him?

Displaced Flames fan · 01-21-2007, 01:56 PM

The key for the dems is will they run a race based on GW Bush or will they run a race with a vision for the future. The status quo is not an option but I'm not sure the DNC is smart enough to leave Bush out of it.

Table 5 · 01-21-2007, 03:21 PM

I'm hoping Mike Bloomberg runs for President. I think he would be a very interesting choice.

mykalberta · 01-21-2007, 03:24 PM

Between Hillary and Obama, I take Obama. I think the American public would be more comfortable with a Black Male President than a White Female B***H.

That primary will be a fun one to watch as I dont get to vote in it.

I still think Obama/Hillary would have a tough run vs McCain/Guliana (Rudy Rudy Rudy!!!).

MYK