India reacts to notion of non-virginal brides

[Cowperson]

NEW DELHI - A popular south Indian actress has been pelted with sandals, tomatoes and rotten eggs and hauled before court for telling Indian men not to expect their brides to be virgins anymore.

Khushboo, a 35-year-old star of Tamil language movies, told a magazine in September there was nothing wrong with premarital sex -- as long as it was protected sex.

She is now out on $100 bail, and banned from making any more public comments or giving interviews.

How does this stack up against 50 Cents coming to Canada?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10173709/

Cowperson

[arsenal]

As far as how this compares with Fiddy coming to Canada? I don't really care about Fiddy coming to Canada. But I do think that he should be allowed to perform. If he isn't, then it is just another form of censorship.

Now, back to the actress. Good on her for speaking out. I know pre-marital sex is against pretty much every religion, and to deny that it happens means you are living in a fantasy world. All religions need to be more tollerent of such things. If a highly visible Catholic Actress where to say the same thing, would she get pelted with sandles and tomatos as well?

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by arsenal

As far as how this compares with Fiddy coming to Canada? I don't really care about Fiddy coming to Canada. But I do think that he should be allowed to perform. If he isn't, then it is just another form of censorship.

Now, back to the actress. Good on her for speaking out. I know pre-marital sex is against pretty much every religion, and to deny that it happens means you are living in a fantasy world. All religions need to be more tollerent of such things. If a highly visible Catholic Actress where to say the same thing, would she get pelted with sandles and tomatos as well?

Why do all religions need to be more tolerant of premarital sex? Premarital sex is against most religion's principles and values. While it would be naive to deny that premarital sex doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that they have to accept and support the behaviour.

I wonder if this chick will become more popular in India due to this controversy?

[Frank the Tank]

I'm suprised she hasn't been stoned to death yet. I mean, really, she may have had SEX out of wedlock! GASP!!

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Why do all religions need to be more tolerant of premarital sex? Premarital sex is against most religion's principles and values. While it would be naive to deny that premarital sex doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that they have to accept and support the behaviour.

I wonder if this chick will become more popular in India due to this controversy?

People get married about a decade later now than they did when these religions were establishing their set-in-stone rules.

Back in the day you got married at 14-15... not a lot of time for pre-marital shenanigans. Plus forcing post-marital sex on people (through religious dogma) was a great way of getting guys to stay with a woman after impregnating her... because if you get her pregnant and leave, you're going to hell. A convenient little tool for society to tie us roaming males down a bit (probably a good thing).

I think pre-marital sex is a fact of life when average marriage age is in the mid-20's, and average sexual peak (for a guy) is something like 17? Who are we kidding by even trying to impose rules against pre-marital sex?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

Why do all religions need to be more tolerant of premarital sex? Premarital sex is against most religion's principles and values. While it would be naive to deny that premarital sex doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that they have to accept and support the behaviour.

I wonder if this chick will become more popular in India due to this controversy?

Instead of being more accepting, how about they act a little more humane and rational.

I don't care what your views on premarital sex are, but when someone speaks out about it and gets assaulted because of it, it is deplorable.

[Clarkey]

I'm not against premarital sex, I just don't like the attitude that xyz religion should just dump all its principles and morals to fit whatever is cool with the current times.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by Clarkey

I'm not against premarital sex, I just don't like the attitude that xyz religion should just dump all its principles and morals to fit whatever is cool with the current times.

I am not suggesting that religion xyz should dump their morals and principles. Just be more tollerant of people's views on things.

[Cowperson]

It's not just the common person in India being more tolerant . . . . . I found it remarkable that even in a reasonably reputable and longer-lived democracy like India that she was actually arrested AND went to a court where her case was seriously considered for simply speaking her mind on a garden variety topic.

I also wonder about the term "deeply conservative," a term that has also been used to describe thought processes in religious places like Afghanistan where women have also been denied rights we would consider normal.

Would "culturally immature" be better? Or does that make me intolerant?

Cowperson

[Cheese]

Agamemnon got it right...the religious dogma these codes are set by were created a few 1000 years ago, and were based on the fact that girls were married off as young as 12 years old...sometimes younger. The fact that the any religion still practises the banning of the use of contraceptives not only is a few hundred years behind the times, its also a recipe for disaster in places like Africa...see Aids running rampant.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It's not just the common person in India being more tolerant . . . . . I found it remarkable that even in a reasonably reputable and longer-lived democracy like India that she was actually arrested AND went to a court where her case was seriously considered for simply speaking her mind on a garden variety topic.

I also wonder about the term "deeply conservative," a term that has also been used to describe thought processes in religious places like Afghanistan where women have also been denied rights we would consider normal.

Would "culturally immature" be better? Or does that make me intolerant?

Cowperson

Technically looking down on things such as female infanticide or FGM if those things are acceptable by their own cultural standards would be considered ethnocentric.

[JohnnyFlame]

Culturally mature--what on earth does that mean? Because some bimbo wants to run her mouth in a country with deeply held religious values and gets into a scrape doing so we should hold ourselves up as culturally mature?

Geez at least they have some values they are willing to stand up for. When I think about Rwanda or Bosnia our so called cultural maturity makes me puke!!!! Frankly the new so called tolerance seems to be in every case nothing more than a snobbish view of what is going on or just a lack of guts to take an actual stand on issues.

I'm sure I would be described as intolerant on a whole bunch of issues by the wishy washy crowd whose values change from year to year and are dictated by whatever is popular at the moment. If they are what can be described as the culturally mature then stuff what they think--Wont' matter cause they won't think that way for long anyway.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

I'm suprised she hasn't been stoned to death yet. I mean, really, she may have had SEX out of wedlock! GASP!!

You wont understand until you have met some people that do believe in the old time values. There are a lot of people in this world that still believe in that kind of stuff. I know many of them, including my parents.

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I do agree that it is naive to believe that it doenst happen, but to say that religions need to be more tolerant is a stupid thing to say. Are you religious at all? Do you know how old the Hindu religion is? You dont just change things like that

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Thats the thing CP, its not a garden variety topic in that part of the world. People in NA treat it as a garden variety topic and it is here, and in some other parts of the world, but like I said earlier there are some people that still believe in that kind of stuff.

[BrownOne]

Setting bad examples to the kids out there.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Culturally mature--what on earth does that mean? Because some bimbo wants to run her mouth in a country with deeply held religious values and gets into a scrape doing so we should hold ourselves up as culturally mature?

Calling her a bimbo would be like me calling you pathetically immature and ignorant; probably not true, even though it looks like it at first glance.

Telling people a fact in public is now 'running your mouth'? Free speech is not a 'culturally mature' value? If a choice has to be made between the right to Free Speech and the right of Religious Rule... well, I guess if you think the latter is better or 'more culturally mature', to each their own.

Geez at least they have some values they are willing to stand up for. When I think about Rwanda or Bosnia our so called cultural maturity makes me puke!!!! Frankly the new so called tolerance seems to be in every case nothing more than a snobbish view of what is going on or just a lack of guts to take an actual stand on issues.

And she doesn't? Isn't she standing up for her values? Tolerance = Snobbery? It seems she took a pretty decent stand on the issue, and was taken to court for it. Your point is completely incoherent here.

I'm sure I would be described as intolerant on a whole bunch of issues by the wishy washy crowd whose values change from year to year and are dictated by whatever is popular at the moment. If they are what can be described as the culturally mature then stuff what they think--Wont' matter cause they won't think that way for long anyway.

So, you're basically ascribing a whole value system to anyone who disagrees with you on the issue? You already know who they are, where they're coming from, and why they're wrong?

Dude, you're right. You are totally intolerant, a borderline bigot. But of course, that's just me guessing at your values... seems to be a popular activity in this thread.

[BrownOne]

Im pretty sure your not supposed to be sexing before marriage, but the grown folks always talk about it, and tell you that its okay. They always asking if you are or not, and that you should.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by BrownOne

Im pretty sure your not supposed to be sexing before marriage, but the grown folks always talk about it, and tell you that its okay. They always asking if you are or not, and that you should.

Translater anyone?

You're 'pretty sure' you're not supposed to have sex before mariage.

Well, I'm very sure I did, and it felt great.

[red '00]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Well, I'm very sure I did, and it felt great.

Seriously, the chances of marrying a girl who's a virgin in North America these days is extremely slim. (My girlfriend's sister (whom is in grade 8 or 9) was telling me that there are girls in grade six now that dress and act like whores. GRADE SIX!)

I really don't know why other people around the world make such a big deal out of it. Religion 'spligion! Have some fun.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Dude, you're right. You are totally intolerant, a borderline bigot. But of course, that's just me guessing at your values... seems to be a popular activity in this thread.

How can that be?

According to JohnnyFlame, WE'RE the bigots for wondering about the maturity of a culture where a free woman in a democracy would be brought to trial by the government - not just disapproved of -for saying women have the right to choose when they might have sex.

Is that culture right and we're in the wrong? Or is that culture stuck in a time warp and needing a good kicking in the ass? Or do we need to turn the clock back to the middle ages where they are?

Seriously, the chances of marrying a girl who's a virgin in North America these days is extremely slim. (My girlfriend's sister (whom is in grade 8 or 9) was telling me that there are girls in grade six now that dress and act like whores. GRADE SIX!)

You'll find the definition of "whore" will vary around the world. There are versions of Islamic culture that would regard Condoleeza Rice as a "whore" simply by the way she dresses and the way she acts.

Is that overkill?

Walking around the Stampede Grounds, I found it quite amazing how many young girls who appeared to be 12-13 years of age seemed to have dragon tatoos pasted on their un-covered lower backsides. I don't think I'm being overly fuddy-duddy to think some parents aren't paying attention. But . . . . maybe I need to lighten up.

Cowperson

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by red '00

Seriously, the chances of marrying a girl who's a virgin in North America these days is extremely slim. (My girlfriend's sister (whom is in grade 8 or 9) was telling me that there are girls in grade six now that dress and act like whores. GRADE SIX!)

I really don't know why other people around the world make such a big deal out of it. Religion 'spligion! Have some fun.

I think I just saw your recent addition to the CP yearbook, and judging by that I will go out on a limb and say you don't have a daughter currently in grade six?

I am not against pre-marital sex by any means, but how fast kids are growing up these days, and the age in which kids are becoming sexually active without the emotional faculties to deal with the consequences is absolutely terrifying to a parent.