Do you know anyone who's died from second hand smoke?

[GreenLantern2814]

I don't. My grandmother has smoked a pack of cigarettes a day since she was sixteen, and my grandfather hasn't had a cigarette in 40 years. Somehow, he has managed to survive well into his seventies.

I should say that I am not a smoker. I did smoke in high school, but it really does nothing for me. It doesn't smell great, obviously. But I walk anywhere on campus and I see 'no smoking within 10 meters of the doors' signs, and now it seems we can't smoke on the deck of the campus pub. Who exactly is being protected by this? If you don't want the bar smelling like smoke, I get it. No smoking within six feet or something.

Why on earth does someone have to walk halfway to the fricking pitchers mound to have a cigarette? Does anybody buy this second hand smoke myth anymore? God forbid you light up a Craven Ultra Mild within a hundred yards of a school, but nobody would say anything if a fat teacher brought a Wendy's classic triple back from lunch...

I don't have much of a point to this other than this: next time someone warns you about second hand smoke, call them a mean name and ask if they use a leafblower.

[puckluck]

Ignorant thread is ignorant.

[Sliver]

Hahaha what a dope. I doubt it was ever "the one" factor that resulted in death in the same way a bullet to the brain would kill you. But inhaling second-hand smoke is obviously harmful. I mean seriously.

[Reaper]

Why do they have to go 10 metres away from a doorway? Because smoking is obnoxious and non-smokers don't appreciate having a waft of smoke in their face simply because they had to exit or enter the building.

You should start emailing the oncologists to tell them that cigarette smoke isn't carcinogenic to the non-smoker.

[Barnet Flame]

Not since Dad sought advice from his physician.

[saskflames69]

As the kids call it today..
"Hey wanna bum me a duurt?"

[Northendzone]

if i need to enter a building to do my business, i would prefer that i not have to run the gauntlet of smokers.

to some extent i get why the smokers are annoyed, i mean, what they are doing is legal......

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Why do they have to go 10 metres away from a doorway? Because smoking is obnoxious and non-smokers don't appreciate having a waft of smoke in their face simply because they had to exit or enter the building.

You should start emailing the oncologists to tell them that cigarette smoke isn't carcinogenic to the non-smoker.

Farting is obnoxious. We don't make people stand outside if they want to rip ass. I'm sure some people don't appreciate walking out onto the street when a diesel truck pulls away and they get a whiff of it.

I'm just wondering who exactly we're protecting, and who exactly has been killed by this menace. You're breathing in such trace amounts, how exactly is it any more carcinogenic than a twinkie?

[Regular_John]

Let's make this easy, in the comfort of your own home you are free to do whatever you'd like for the most part. Once you leave the house you must conduct yourself to the standards & customs set by the community you live in.

So to answer you question, the reason you have to walk halfway to the fricking pitchers mound to have a cigarette is because the community has a whole has decided that their right to not smell/breath cigarette smoke trumps your right to enjoy a cigarette outside your home.

In your own home? Do as you please. But once you leave your home you will need to abide by the laws of the land.

[Barnet Flame]

I rarely ever WANT to fart.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I don't have much of a point to this other than this: next time someone warns you about second hand smoke, call them a mean name and ask if they use a leafblower.

Why don't you just go ahead and call a member of Heather Crowe's family a mean name.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You're breathing in such trace amounts, how exactly is it any more carcinogenic than a twinkie?

Why should I or my kids have to involuntary inhale someone elses second hand smoke?

[troutman]

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...e-cause-cancer

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17690135

From a total of 101 primary studies, 55 studies are included in this meta-analysis

The abundance of evidence, consistency of finding across continent and study type, dose-response relationship and biological plausibility, overwhelmingly support the existence of a causal relationship between passive smoking and lung cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17267733

A meta-analysis in 2003 of data from 22 studies from multiple locations worldwide of workplace environmental tobacco smoke exposure and lung cancer risk.

The findings from this investigation provide the strongest evidence to date that exposure to environmental tobacco smoke in the workplace is associated with an increased risk of lung cancer

Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General
http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/news/s...06272006a.html

I would like to draw your attention to several new conclusions that I have reached due to overwhelming scientific evidence.

• Secondhand smoke exposure causes heart disease and lung cancer in adults and sudden infant death syndrome and respiratory problems in children.
• There is NO risk-free level of secondhand smoke exposure, with even brief exposure adversely affecting the cardiovascular and respiratory system.
• Only smoke-free environments effectively protect nonsmokers from secondhand smoke exposure in indoor spaces.
• Finally, the Report concludes that, while great strides have been made in recent years in reducing nonsmoking Americans’ secondhand smoke exposure, millions of Americans continue to be exposed to secondhand smoke in their homes and workplaces.

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...moke-dangerous

Similar information can be obtained from the Centers for Disease Control (also see this Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report), the Institute of Medicine, the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, the National Cancer Institute (part of the National Institutes of Health), and the Mayo Clinic.

A full list of research can be found at the MedLine, and it includes research from the American Heart Association, North Carolina Medical Journal, Current Opinions in Pulmonary Medicine, British Medical Journal, and Neurotoxicology and Teratology.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I rarely ever WANT to fart.

Exactly, and the socially acceptable thing to do when you are flatulent is to move somewhere where your odors won't be detected by others. Since smoking in front of others was deemed socially acceptable, we needed a law to protect the non-lovers of disgusting smells.

[Yeah_Baby]

[Knut]

I have never had a friend/family member die in a car accident. I say it is a myth that driving can kill people.

I don't have much of a point to this other than this: next time someone warns you about speeding, call them a mean name and speed right on by them.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

if i need to enter a building to do my business, i would prefer that i not have to run the gauntlet of smokers.

to some extent i get why the smokers are annoyed, i mean, what they are doing is legal......

If it's within the prescribed non-smoking area at a doorway it's very much not legal

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

nobody would say anything if a fat teacher brought a Wendy's classic triple back from lunch...

I'm pretty sure someone would complain if said teacher tried to ram part of the classic triple down some bystanders throat. Your analogy is horrible.

This is easily the dumbest thread that isn't titled 'Iginla sucks'.

[Ashartus]

While it's almost impossible to conclusively state that any individual death is the result of a specific chemical exposure (e.g. second-hand smoke), or even that a specific case of lung cancer is caused by smoking, as per the links posted by Troutman it is black-and-white clear that exposure to second-hand smoke can lead to lung cancer.

[blankall]

To devil's advocate for a moment, I do think the "Dangers" of second hand smoke have been overblown. I think it's one matter if you are exposed to second hand smoke constantly in an enclosed environment. The occasional wiff of cigarette smoke outdoors may not be pleasant but it won't kill you. Think about it for a second. When someone is smoking they are burnign a piece of a tobacco leaf. How does that compare to the cars on the street that are burning litres upon litres of gasoline.