Ontario Judge Rules Canada's Marijuana Laws Unconstitutional

[Flames_Gimp]

http://www.cannabisculture.com/v2/co...constitutional

[HOOT]

Boo ya!!

Nice to see a province go in the right direction. Won't be long until it's national. I just hope they spend the time and resources to do it properly. Leaglize, don't decriminalize!

[fredr123]

The remedy in this case seems overbroad. I could understand if striking down the MMAR was upheld on appeal but there is probably a good argument to be made that ss. 4 and 7 of the CDSA could still be saved.

[Traditional_Ale]

In before the anti-pot crowd!

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

In before the anti-pot crowd!

The defendant suffered from a medical condition which caused him to live in constant pain. The court accepted that he found relief through the use of marijuana and that it was a violation of his rights to deny him this medical treatment. He fought through the court system in what was no doubt a long and complicated hearing to have the right to grow and possess marijuana for this purpose.

That potheads are going to celebrate this decision and gain the right to grow and possess marijuana, not for medicinal use but just to get high, seems a bit disingenuous.

[burn_this_city]

Sounds pretty similar to people making wine in their basement.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

In before the anti-pot crowd!

I'm not anti-pot.
I'm anti-potheads who still think it's cool to be a full on stoner beyond their early twenties, and have nothing better to talk about than why pot shouldn't be illegal.

[robocop]

^I smoke once or twice a year, but what does it matter to you what others do with their life if it has nothing to do with you?

I find it funny that there are still huge detractors of pot in the world we live in today.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by fredr123

The defendant suffered from a medical condition which caused him to live in constant pain. The court accepted that he found relief through the use of marijuana and that it was a violation of his rights to deny him this medical treatment. He fought through the court system in what was no doubt a long and complicated hearing to have the right to grow and possess marijuana for this purpose.

That potheads are going to celebrate this decision and gain the right to grow and possess marijuana, not for medicinal use but just to get high, seems a bit disingenuous.

I gathered that. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

I'm not anti-pot.
I'm anti-potheads who still think it's cool to be a full on stoner beyond their early twenties, and have nothing better to talk about than why pot shouldn't be illegal.

I quit last summer.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Sounds pretty similar to people making wine in their basement.

Pretty much exactly the same, if wine were illegal to possess without a note from your doctor... and doctors in Canada were, by and large, unwilling to sign the note... and drinking wine was recognized as an effective treatment for symptoms of some diseases... and making homemade wine for personal use was illegal...

[burn_this_city]

I should have quoted the bottom part of your post. I agree that this ruling should be strictly for medicinal purposes, not a complete legalization.

[robocop]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Pretty much exactly the same, if wine were illegal to possess without a note from your doctor... and doctors in Canada were, by and large, unwilling to sign the note... and drinking wine was recognized as an effective treatment for symptoms of some diseases... and making homemade wine for personal use was illegal...

well there was a prohibition on alcohol for a while in Canada. Wine does also have some health benefits

[Drury18]

Looks like its time to purchase stock in Kraft and Frito-Lays. Sales are about to skyrocket.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by robocop

^I smoke once or twice a year, but what does it matter to you what others do with their life if it has nothing to do with you?

I find it funny that there are still huge detractors of pot in the world we live in today.

I am far from anti-pot...trust me.

however what you state there is the same argument that can be made for any drug of any sort. Is it OK if you have heroin out there just waiting to be cranked into someones arm at any point they like? Cocaine, meth...hell why even have controls on cigarettes at this point?

Societal health issues are everyones business particularly in a socialized medicine country.

[robocop]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I am far from anti-pot...trust me.

however what you state there is the same argument that can be made for any drug of any sort. Is it OK if you have heroin out there just waiting to be cranked into someones arm at any point they like? Cocaine, meth...hell why even have controls on cigarettes at this point?

Societal health issues are everyones business particularly in a socialized medicine country.

well now you're arguing that synthesized concentrated chemicals proven to permanently harm if not kill people have the same negative effects on the body as a plant that has proven health benefits and limited if any negative effects for casual users and that allowing one must mean allowing the other. I'm not getting into that argument because it's stupid. And if you're that concerned about public health issues why don't you go start an anti-cigarette/anti-alcohol group, your time would be better spent.

[Parallex]

I havn't partaken in about 6 years but I'm generally supportive of "-ation" in regards to marijuana. That's Legalization, Regulation, and Nationalization... then take the profits from it's sale and wholly reinvest them into fully funded recovery centers/drug education program to get people off the more harmful drugs that destroy communities and lives.

Do that and I'm relatively confident that we'd see a huge reduction in crime.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

I should have quoted the bottom part of your post. I agree that this ruling should be strictly for medicinal purposes, not a complete legalization.

If you make marijuana legal to grow for strictly medical purposes you are opening yourself up to too many loopholes where people will work the system. I have two buddies who got their card and are looking to become "legal" growers because they have a couple back problems. It's all BS they just want to grow it legally but traffic it on the side to make huge profits. At least with legalization Canada and/or the provinces can collect tax money on one of the most used drugs in the country. Right now it's a cash business and that cash business is running into the 10's of billions of dollars across the county.

One of the main reasons marijuana can actually effect your health is with the products they use to protect the plants from spider mites and other insects. Luckily the growers I smoke from use an organic product but I know others who will spray raid and other junk on a plant because it's cheap and gets the job done. So they need to protect the public and have regulatory systems in place to make sure it's grown right.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by robocop

well now you're arguing that synthesized concentrated chemicals proven to permanently harm if not kill people have the same negative effects on the body as a plant that has proven health benefits and limited if any negative effects for casual users and that allowing one must mean allowing the other. I'm not getting into that argument because it's stupid. And if you're that concerned about public health issues why don't you go start an anti-cigarette/anti-alcohol group, your time would be better spent.

wow...a bit touchy are we?

if you believe there are no health drawbacks to drying a plant, lighting it on fire and inhaling the smoke into your lungs...good for you.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by robocop

^I smoke once or twice a year, but what does it matter to you what others do with their life if it has nothing to do with you?

I find it funny that there are still huge detractors of pot in the world we live in today.

I don't care if someone smokes pot every once in a while.
What bugs me is when adults still think it's cool to be a stoner.
I guess I shouldn't say it bugs me, I just think the guys who are pushing 30, still have a pot flag in their house, and won't shut up about how it should be legal are just losers.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by transplant99

wow...a bit touchy are we?

if you believe there are no health drawbacks to drying a plant, lighting it on fire and inhaling the smoke into your lungs...good for you.

But there are ways around that now a days. And just like anything it isn't perfect but it far from being as dangerous as cigarettes and alcohol are to the human body.

The prohibition of marijuana is not working and has never worked. So why do we continue to pump a half a billion dollars a year to convict marijuana users, 80% for small possession? Why continue to overlook the huge tax benefits of leagalization?

There are reasons why the alcohol prohibition didn't work and if it wasn't for large corporations and unions fighting for it marijuana would be legal today too.