Is that a fair assessment or is Puljujarvi a step below Matthews/Laine, but a step above the rest?
ISS has Puljujarvi ahead of Laine but I'm not sure how credible their Finnish scouts are. Craig Button has Laine and Puljujarvj tied, but I'm not sure how much he's seen them since the WJC.
Based on what I've seen Laine is a step ahead of Puljuajarvi but I'm not over in Finland either! Henry Fool has probably seen these guys more than most on here.
As for Puljujarvi being ahead of the rest that does seem to be consensus so far. I'm sure there's a couple teams that might not have him top 3 but I'm guessing most still have him top 3. The Draft Analyst has Puljujarvi 7th or so and says he's concerned about 5 on 5 production.
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I'm bored so I'll throw out a bit of unconfirmable hearsay
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From the other board in regards to where Pierre-Luc Dubois might want to play
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Originally Posted by 199991
Knowing him personally, I don't want to break your dream, but he actually doesn't like the Canadiens at all. Think he'd prefer the Flyers. Maybe Calgary too.
Wonder if the fact our coaching staff is French Canadian would help us attract French Canadiens? Or do young players now dream of playing with Johnny Hockey and Shern Mernahernds.
On an unrelated note it sound like Puljujarvi doesn't speak much English. So if we were to end up with him having Ortio and Jokipakka around would be a huge help if he were to make the Flames out of camp. Wouldn't hurt if we landed Laine as well to have a couple Finns on the team already.
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On an unrelated note it sound like Puljujarvi doesn't speak much English. So if we were to end up with him having Ortio and Jokipakka around would be a huge help if he were to make the Flames out of camp. Wouldn't hurt if we landed Laine as well to have a couple Finns on the team already.
Seems like Puljujarvi understands English fairly well. Jesse needs some translation help but also answers English questions right away sometimes, he speaks it well too.
Laine seems to be better at it though, no translator needed!
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As for Puljujarvi, yeah he's okay I guess. The thing is Finns and Swedes often speak English really well so in comparison to his peers he's below average at it. Apparently left his home at age 13 to play hockey.
GO JETS!!! GO BLUE JACKETS!!! Lose Flames!!! Would be nice if Columbus could beat Chicago tonight and we lose to Minny! We would "leap frog" the Blue Jackets and get into the 4th best spot at 9.5% instead of 8.5%. That 1% could mean all the difference. The dream is still Auston Matthews for me but I'd be doing cart wheels if we get a top 3!!!!
Depending on how the final games go & the lottery goes theres still a chance we could fall to 7th or 8th overall pick. That would be the absolute worst case scenario though.
I'm done worrying about the standings, we got Monny and Bennett without a top 3 pick. I'm an atheist but the hockey gods(scouts) dealt the Flames a few gems lately.
Depending on how the final games go & the lottery goes theres still a chance we could fall to 7th or 8th overall pick. That would be the absolute worst case scenario though.
That would suck, but on the bright side, we'd still be on the right side of the plateau. There's a bit of a dropoff after the 8th or 9th pick.
Now that the playoff are basically set, the draft order is probably the most interesting part of this weekend in the NHL. It's still pretty volatile for some teams.
FDW can we get your updated top 10 please? As one of the most knowledgeable posters on the draft I like your analysis.
Hmmm good question! Not sure it's changed a ton recently. This is my list but it is biased towards our needs a bit since I think the Flames may prioritize size/strength if the players are close in other areas. Areas I struggle with at the moment which may become more clear later include
Where do you slot Chychrun in? Do the Flames see him as a franchise d-man? If so he should be top 5. If not then he shouldn't be
Who is better out of Tkachuk and Dubois? To me right now there is very little to separate them.
Placing the other dmen as well is problematic especially in regards to Nylander
Is Nylander seen as a potential #1 winger by the Flames? If so then he should probably be top 7. If not then he probably shouldn't be top 7
I'm going to cut it off at 9 since I think that group seems to be a cut above. Personally I think my top 6 fits the Flames better than the other 3 and I'm personally hoping for one of them.
I could easily make a ranking with Chychrun at #4. If the Flames really love Sergachev and Juolevi and aren't as high on Nylander I could see them pushing Nylander down to #9. I could see Nylander as high as top 6 in some scenarios. It's really hard to know! Can't wait until some of the draft guides are released as the write ups really help me narrow down style of play. I like hearing interviews with team's head of scouting, or the head scouts for Redline, ISS, FC, etc. It'll be interesting to see if we get to see much of the U18s, that tourney could edge a guy like Chychrun up or down slightly.
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Hmmm good question! Not sure it's changed a ton recently. This is my list but it is biased towards our needs a bit since I think the Flames may prioritize size/strength if the players are close in other areas. Areas I struggle with at the moment which may become more clear later include
Where do you slot Chychrun in? Do the Flames see him as a franchise d-man? If so he should be top 5. If not then he shouldn't be
Who is better out of Tkachuk and Dubois? To me right now there is very little to separate them.
Placing the other dmen as well is problematic especially in regards to Nylander
Is Nylander seen as a potential #1 winger by the Flames? If so then he should probably be top 7. If not then he probably shouldn't be top 7
I'm going to cut it off at 9 since I think that group seems to be a cut above. Personally I think my top 6 fits the Flames better than the other 3 and I'm personally hoping for one of them.
I could easily make a ranking with Chychrun at #4. If the Flames really love Sergachev and Juolevi and aren't as high on Nylander I could see them pushing Nylander down to #9. I could see Nylander as high as top 6 in some scenarios. It's really hard to know! Can't wait until some of the draft guides are released as the write ups really help me narrow down style of play. It'll be interesting to see if we get to see much of the U18s, that tourney could edge a guy like Chychrun up or down slightly.
I agree with most of your list, other than I would slide up Dubois and Chychrun to 4-5, Tkachuk down to six (all three are really close) and flip Nylander and Sergachev due to personal preference.
Pretty much 1-3 will go in a predictable manner, then 4-9 should as well with maybe the Canucks reaching for some low end 2nd line, more likely 3rd line upside guy like they did with Horvat and Virtanen. I'm already penciling in either Bean or McLeod in their selection if they don't win the Lotto. It's all a coin toss for 4-9 though and it will largely depend on the needs of the team selecting. A team like CBJ may take Dubois for example to replace Johansen as they are similar players. Just depends on the order.
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A guy like Bean could be top 10 for some teams but I feel with the Flames depth in puck moving and power play d-men including Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Nakladal, plus Andersson and Kylington we are more set in the area than most teams and thus won't be prioritizing that as high as another team might. So I think for us the more well rounded d-men would make more sense. Note that Sergachev has a ton of offensive potential and Chychrun isn't a slouch himself. Juolevi might not have the point shot those two have but is a smart puck mover as well.
A guy like Bean could be top 10 for some teams but I feel with the Flames depth in puck moving and power play d-men including Gio, Brodie, Hamilton, Nakladal, plus Andersson and Kylington we are more set in the area than most teams and thus won't be prioritizing that as high as another team might. So I think for us the more well rounded d-men would make more sense. Note that Sergachev has a ton of offensive potential and Chychrun isn't a slouch himself. Juolevi might not have the point shot those two have but is a smart puck mover as well.
I don't think the Flames are likely to use their first on a defenseman due to having a well stocked group as it is. It's possible if they slide to 7th or 8th and all of Dubois/Tkachuk/Nylander are gone.
I think the order of Flames picks will go Matthews-Laine-Puljujarvi-Dubois-Tkachuk-Nylander-Chychrun-Sergachev.
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I agree with most of your list, other than I would slide up Dubois and Chychrun to 4-5, Tkachuk down to six (all three are really close) and flip Nylander and Sergachev due to personal preference.
Pretty much 1-3 will go in a predictable manner, then 4-9 should as well with maybe the Canucks reaching for some low end 2nd line, more likely 3rd line upside guy like they did with Horvat and Virtanen. I'm already penciling in either Bean or McLeod in their selection if they don't win the Lotto. It's all a coin toss for 4-9 though and it will largely depend on the needs of the team selecting. A team like CBJ may take Dubois for example to replace Johansen as they are similar players. Just depends on the order.
Good points. I see 4-6 as fairly interchangeable as well, I'd be about equally happy with Tkachuk, Dubois or Chychrun. And yeah, I haven't seen enough of Nylander, Juolevi and Sergachev to be confident in where I've ranked them but I do like that grouping ahead of any other contenders.
As for the Canucks I think Horvat was far from a reach at #9 in his draft year. The Virtanen pick is very interesting. They seem to value his skating, size, physicality mixed with his shot. Why him over Nick Ritchie that year? I'm not totally sure. What seemed to be lacking in their analysis is Viranen's hockey IQ and playmaking ability. So perhaps what they overemphasize is physical tools. Obviously they aren't one of those teams that values pure skill above all else or they would've taken Nylander that year instead. So we can deduce that size and physicality does factor in to their equations. For that reason you'd think maybe they'd like Chychrun and Sergachev ahead of Bean/Juolevi since both are more physical, have big shots and are great skaters. If they are wowed by skating/size/physicality/shot then Chychrun/Sergachev should fit the Canucks like a glove.
More deductions can be made from them trading a smaller guy in Shinkaruk. Seems like they thought his scoring wouldn't translate partially because of his size. I wonder if that same desire for size (which all GMs of Pacific teams should be emphasizing in our division) makes Bean less attractive for them.
Anyways based on everything I've "deduced" about the Canucks scouting values I think maybe we can guess that they might be less high on Tkachuk than some due to him not having elite skating. They might be less high on Bean than some due to him being smaller and not as physical. They seem to get mesmerized by big, fast, hard hitting, hard shooting guys. So IMO that means Chychrun, Sergachev and Dubois could be higher for them for sure. I don't doubt Benning when he says if they aren't drafting top 3 that they'd like to get a defender.
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What is the maximum you would be willing to move in order to draft top 3 ( lets say second)
My preference would be 2 seconds but if a team is asking I would be willing to move a young ready dman ( kulak,worherspoon) or even kylington(wont be a popular opinion)
What is the maximum you would be willing to move in order to draft top 3 ( lets say second)
My preference would be 2 seconds but if a team is asking I would be willing to move a young ready dman ( kulak,worherspoon) or even kylington(wont be a popular opinion)
