California legalizes gay marr... ZOMG!!!! MY EYES!!!!! IT BURNS!!!

[llama64]

Denying homosexual marriage violates a basic human right by legally declaring that homosexual people aren't "persons". As a society, we are compelled to grant them this right. There is no debate. There is no argument.

The same goes for trying to force a religion to preform a marriage against their beliefs. If a homosexual couple can find a religion that will support their marriage, all the best. Just don't try to force any particular religion to do something against their beliefs.

Seriously, I don't get the debate here...

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

That's a massive assumption on your part. TO be clear its your belief gay people actually don't care about having the right to use the word "marriage" but rather are doing it out of spite.

A big organized, movement all out of spite.

That's your position?

The big organized part where theres the holding hands and kissing babies is all well and good, but the driving force behind this movement seems to have nothing better to do than slam their ideologies down everyone's throat on a technicality.

An overwhelming majority of the homosexuals I have met honestly have better things to do than parade their "injustices" around for all to pay creed to. Most are too busy being successful and getting on with their lives.

Also, it did occur to me on my walk home that even if they legal term for homosexual unions turns out NOT to be marriage, we'd probably all end up calling it that anyway as a form of slang...

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Huh?

Sounds to me like you are saying that you are "affected" by same-sex marriage because some people you know have strong opinions on the subject.

Are you affected in, you know, a real way?

Because I'm heterosexual, I suppose not. I concede the point.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by lchoy

a quick aside, I find it quite neat that a hockey forum based out of Calgary, has this many people commenting in favour of gay marriage. From an outside perspective and based on stereotype, I figured it would be almost 50/50 or more against it based on the medium and from Alberta. bravo CP

We're on an internet forum... we're the educated ones. Lots of us are youngish.

I support gay marriage, but I'm not going to get into the debate (because it's virtually impossible to have a rational argument with a religious person due to the irrational nature of religionbut I will add that I support gay marriage). Seriously though, it's been nine pages and nobody's pointed at this yet:

Clerks expect a much larger number of couples to show up Tuesday morning to complete marriage-license applications that replace "Bride" and "Groom" with "Partner A" and "Partner B."

So how do you get to decide who gets to be "Partner A"?

[AC]

Originally Posted by SebC

So how do you get to decide who gets to be "Partner A"?

It should be 'Partner A' and 'Partner 1'.

[Azure]

Last gay marriage thread people were suspended.

This gay marriage thread sucks.

[Ice]

Originally Posted by SebC

We're on an internet forum... we're the educated ones. Lots of us are youngish.

I support gay marriage, but I'm not going to get into the debate (because it's virtually impossible to have a rational argument with a religious person due to the irrational nature of religionbut I will add that I support gay marriage). Seriously though, it's been nine pages and nobody's pointed at this yet:So how do you get to decide who gets to be "Partner A"?

The problem you might be having with the debate is that you say religion is irrational as if you're stating a fact, instead of your opinion. Its a pretty negative and close minded way to open a discussion on such a complicated topic. Just my opinion.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Azure

Last gay marriage thread people were suspended.

This gay marriage thread sucks.

Doesn't suck as bad as the last one. At least in this thread we're allowed to clarify and rebuke without someone calling for someone's head. And all the posts have been at least an attempt at tactful. Its sometimes hard with topics like this.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by fredr123

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...2&postcount=35

Oh

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

The big organized part where theres the holding hands and kissing babies is all well and good, but the driving force behind this movement seems to have nothing better to do than slam their ideologies down everyone's throat on a technicality.

An overwhelming majority of the homosexuals I have met honestly have better things to do than parade their "injustices" around for all to pay creed to. Most are too busy being successful and getting on with their lives.

Also, it did occur to me on my walk home that even if they legal term for homosexual unions turns out NOT to be marriage, we'd probably all end up calling it that anyway as a form of slang...

I have no idea how you know the motivations behind the millions of gay people behind the movement.

To suggest they have nothing better to do is just another in a string of wild assumptions on your part.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Doesn't suck as bad as the last one. At least in this thread we're allowed to clarify and rebuke without someone calling for someone's head. And all the posts have been at least an attempt at tactful. Its sometimes hard with topics like this.

I've always found CP a great place to debate all kinds of topics, we've deal with lots of touchy issues and managed to keep most of them pretty civil.

Yay for CP!

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by SebC

So how do you get to decide who gets to be "Partner A"?

The dominant one of the couple decides or else Rock, Paper, Scissors ?

[MRCboicgy]

Ok, wow this has gone off, and frankly I just skipped thought the posts. The fact is there's no true, right answer, and I'm far from a master debater to be able to express in type what I think.

One thing I don't agree with is everyone accepting me. I actually respect more the people who stick to their beliefs, no matter what.

Now, it's one thing to tell me that you don't agree with gay lifestyle, marriage, etc and another to act on it. I also think it's ok to be homophobic, provided you don't act on it.

My silly parallel: I'm arachnophobic, totally terrified of spiders. It's completely irrational as a spider has never done anything to me in my life. Instead of killing ever spider I come across, I ignore the ones that are outside my place, and the ones that come inside I shoo away. If one gets on me, then we have an issue. I let them live their lives, do their spider thing and don't interfere. When our paths cross, the spider wants nothing to do with me, and I with him. It's once one of us crosses that line (he crawling on me, me harassing him when he's doing nothing wrong) that a problem arises

In short, it goes both ways in life and in nature, that's how I live my life, and in my 20something years, I've been fortunate to have never had too many problems with being who I am and living how I believe I should.

I have a million other thoughts, but really, it's the damn internet and I hate trying to type it all out.

[GrrlGoalie33]

I have really enjoyed this thread. Despite the fact that there are many different view points, and we have been able to carry on a civil conversation about this touchy subject is great.

I respect that everyone has their own opinion, but I don't have to agree with it and nor do you have to agree with mine. There has been a great amount of respect shown to each other and I for one think it's great!

[Burninator]

To be honest I thought gay marriage was legal in the United States. A couple weeks (months?) ago when they first introduced this bill I honestly thought gay people could marry in the US. Shows what I know.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

One thing I don't agree with is everyone accepting me. I actually respect more the people who stick to their beliefs, no matter what.

What if those beliefs are that white people are better than all other races? What about religious extremists who think only their beliefs are acceptable and all others must be wiped out in the glory of their god?

I know thats extreme, but ultimately I personally only respect opinions that are based on thought, reading/learning/education and critical thought.

To me people who stick to their thoughts 'no matter what' scare the hell out of me. Because IF they could be shown error in their beliefs they should adjust accordingly.. Those who do not change even IF they are shown those errors to be true, are truly frightening to me.

Now, it's one thing to tell me that you don't agree with gay lifestyle, marriage, etc and another to act on it. I also think it's ok to be homophobic, provided you don't act on it.

To fear someone because they are attracted to the same sex is due to the insecurity and fears of the individual with those fears. A lot of that is blamed on religion, since religion loves to hate on those that are not like them, especially homosexuality; everyone loves a scape goat.

Homophobia is a irrational fear caused by what you are taught from an early age, usually from religious belief but other environmental factors as well.

I mean people often regard say Astrology as something that is real, something that is affecting our daily lives.. Even though we know its not real, even though we can repeatedly prove with double blind tests that it has ZERO validity.

So like homophobia and religions fear of gays, I think the 'conditioning of the mind to accept such things' is a real problem with our modern way of thinking.

Its just difficult to accept the intolerance given to gays when we keep repeating this cycle throughout human history, jews, scientists, protestants, catholics, Muslim, atheists, homosexuals, etc.. There is this inherent need amongst religious organizations to encourage directly and indirectly this fear/hatred of others and to push also that their view is the one and only correct one to have.

The irony is that all the various religious groups claim tolerance and respect of each other, but in their churches, mosques, etc.. they speak openly against the other religions.

We need not go much further than christian books about the rapture, end of days, etc.. Glory in that day, where the vast majority of the earth is essentially put to hell while the perfect christians go have dance parties in heaven.

We do see patterns of thoughts based on a lot of factors. Religious people are more likely to accept Astrology, psychics, etc.. While non religious are more likely to discount all of those things.

Just like when it comes to Gay marriage, the non religious are overwhelmingly in favor of those rights, because we do not view it in the cloud of ancient religious dogma that is selected at will according to what is popular instead of us making the observation that most of the bible are stories and mythology meant to make points/observations of the human condition.

Takes little effort to see the truth of the fear in the USA of gay culture and its impact. Thousands of preachers blast Hollywood for portraying gays, they call it destruction of society.

So apparently Gays are the most recent problem with our society as deemed by a great number of church goers.

Can't wait to see who they pinpoint in 10, 20, 50 years...

[Traditional_Ale]

hey everyone. i am trads girlfriend. we have been debating this subject from an etymological standpoint. i havent read much of the thread but i gather this began over the use of the word marriage. is this word a catch-all phrase applicable to any lifelong union of dedicated mates, or is it in truth only applicable to a heterosexual union? i could not resist weighing in on this issue.
the word marriage probably stems from the latin maritare, meaning "to wed". the roman tradition in marriage was an unequal union, frequently for political or economic reasons, which gave one partner total power of life and death over the other and any children, as well as the right to divorce for any reason. this is not the ideal model of modern life-partnership, gay or straight.
the verb to wed does not contain any inherent gender specifications.
colloquially the word marriage is often used to describe the combining of different elements, energies, even flavors.
a no doubt arbitrary oft-quoted statistic is that 50% of modern marriages will end in divorce. in our much vaunted hollywood celebrity culture marriages are made and broken every day, almost casually.
perhaps the real question is why we think the thing associated with this word is such a great institution to begin with, since so few, even historically, find themselves capable of truly respecting their partners and their union. perhaps the word should be reserved for those rare couples who can live up to their vows.

[Traditional_Ale]

still me. i liked what one guy said about spiders. i like spiders and people ought to give them more respect. thats all. thanks.

[flylock shox]

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[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

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Yup.