The Legendary Horn-y Matthew Tkachuk

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

The anger sure is justified. We are likely not having this discussion if Matty was not 4 games from willing his team to a Stanley Cup less than a year after being traded.

What a year it's been at Flames Inc.

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

lol Oh come on, that's so lame.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

I didn't mean my own anger - am past it. But I agree with you Jiri we don't have all the facts - although that quote - yikes, I remember it.

I am really happy for Chucky and Benny and hope they win it all. How can you not be? Maybe they will give the Flames and Calgary some props after....

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

That's exactly what you're doing. We'll never know so we can't comment thus we can't critic the decision. Read the damn quote from Tkachuk on the day he signed that dumb bridge deal and tell me differently, tell me that this is anything but a failure by Treliving.

The thing that stands out to me about Tkachuk's comments is that he volunteers information that are not cookie cutter platitudes that all players say. He gives specific details about what he wanted and why he didn't get it, and he didn't need to say anything about that. He said things that are either facts or lies (not opinions), and I honestly couldn't see him lying about the specifics to the media and in front of the other people who were in the same room when the contract talks were going on.

Things that are just platitudes and opinions, like; "I love it here. This is where I want to be.", can often be dismissed because you don't ever really know what people are thinking, but Tkachuk stated some pretty specific details in the negotiations. I am inclined to take those statements at face value.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing that stands out to me about Tkachuk's comments is that he volunteers information that are not cookie cutter platitudes that all players say. He gives specific details about what he wanted and why he didn't get it, and he didn't need to say anything about that. He said things that are either facts or lies (not opinions), and I honestly couldn't see him lying about the specifics to the media and in front of the other people who were in the same room when the contract talks were going on.

Things that are just platitudes and opinions, like; "I love it here. This is where I want to be.", can often be dismissed because you don't ever really know what people are thinking, but Tkachuk stated some pretty specific details in the negotiations. I am inclined to take those statements at face value.

I think this is pretty fair.. The one fact is that the Flames didn’t have the room to sign him long term. Would they have made room? Who knows, but I’m personally not of the belief that the GM had some trade in his pocket ready to go.

Wasn’t that the off-season that followed the failed Zucker trade? Which would have made the cap situation worse. I do truly believe that BT was looking to keep Tkachuk’s cap hit down in hopes of adding as much salary in other spots as possible. This coincides with what was said publicly at least.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

Lol you seem to be angry with other posters on the internet all the time

Doesn’t seem fun lol

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

Nah, rivalries are part of what makes the game fun and Tkachuk is now in the rivalry tier for me. I hope Florida gets swept in the finals and he never comes close again haha

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lol you seem to be angry with other posters on the internet all the time

Doesn’t seem fun lol

It's OK, he gets a hall pass because he's ex-media.

He knows more stuff and has more valuable life experience that elevates him above the rest of us common folk when it comes to sports talk.

He's also morally superior to the rest of us.

Basically.. know your place, imp!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Lol you seem to be angry with other posters on the internet all the time

Doesn’t seem fun lol

I challenge those who are constantly negative and offer nothing of substance

[PuckSlap]

It's times like these that make me wonder about Calgary.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

It's clear that BT and Edwards did not see eye to eye and that's one reason he left. He didn't have enough control. Sutter might have been Edwards pick as well. If anything, we can see obvious signs of Edward's business tactics here. The other day I heard a well-connected person saying "don't play poker with Murray Edwards".

If BT ever went to another team, his interview response should be about how much he salvaged what he could despite owner interference to always be in win mode on a budget (heard he didn't have leeway to hire an expensive coach prior to Sutter so we got GG) and his work at the time was considered to be slam dunk miracles like Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Weeger, and a 1st.

If he goes to the Leafs he will be in "win now mode" with no cap or draft capital

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Other teams understand the conditions he was operating under here: small-market Canadian city, ‘hands-on’ owner, and a notoriously difficult coach foisted on him by said owner.

I have no doubt Treliving will get another shot at managing an NHL team.

You can’t get away with that lack of context on coaching hires.

That notoriously difficult coach was foisted on him after a succession of terrible appointments.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If this is still making you angry then perhaps evaluate what sports is in your life. It's supposed to be fun. Doesn't seem fun for you.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I challenge those who are constantly negative and offer nothing of substance

Well bully for you I guess but all you were doing in the first post was obvious concern trolling.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Other teams understand the conditions he was operating under here: small-market Canadian city, ‘hands-on’ owner, and a notoriously difficult coach foisted on him by said owner.

I have no doubt Treliving will get another shot at managing an NHL team.

The reality is that it's not just the Flames as all Canadian teams are struggling when it comes to trying to build real cup contending teams. Every once in a while a team breaks out on a cinderella run but the Leafs are probably the closest to an elite Canadian team over the last decade and they can't get over the hump and now have to deal with their star US born player who could easily walk.

I was long in the anti-Treliving camp as IMO the wheels fell off when he made that ill fated trade for Hamonic that set the organization back and the bad moves and miscalculations (bridge deal to Tkachuk) started outweighing the good moves. That said he's gone now so I just don't understand being upset today knowing that he's gone and the Flames have a new GM that has acknowledged past failed moves will hopefully make less mistakes. Of all times of the year this is the time to be optimistic that better things may come with the draft oncoming and a chance to make a few deals and reshape the roster and prospect base. I'm probably closer to a glass half empty guy than glass half full but even I recognize that going on and on about Treliving and Tkachuk isn't really serving much of a purpose outside of wallowing in misery by choice.

[hah]

Matthew is exhibiting strong leadership skills that he acquired while being mentored by notable leaders such as Sutter, Lucic, Lewis, and Toffoli.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The thing that stands out to me about Tkachuk's comments is that he volunteers information that are not cookie cutter platitudes that all players say. He gives specific details about what he wanted and why he didn't get it, and he didn't need to say anything about that. He said things that are either facts or lies (not opinions), and I honestly couldn't see him lying about the specifics to the media and in front of the other people who were in the same room when the contract talks were going on.

Things that are just platitudes and opinions, like; "I love it here. This is where I want to be.", can often be dismissed because you don't ever really know what people are thinking, but Tkachuk stated some pretty specific details in the negotiations. I am inclined to take those statements at face value.

Tkachuk also seems a guy with a pretty big ego, who might not want to admit his own fault. If he always intended to move, he seems like the type of person who would blame it other parties as he doesn't want to compromise his own self-image as the "team guy".

Given Tkachuk's trade list, it seemed like he had very particular places with very specific local politics in mind. He either wanted to go to his hometown, the most recent cup winner, or more libertarian states. None of those places are Canada.

Anyways, this is all speculation. As others have stated, we have no idea what actually happened or what Tkachuk was actually thinking.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The reality is that it's not just the Flames as all Canadian teams are struggling when it comes to trying to build real cup contending teams. Every once in a while a team breaks out on a cinderella run but the Leafs are probably the closest to an elite Canadian team over the last decade and they can't get over the hump and now have to deal with their star US born player who could easily walk.

I don’t understand how anyone can still doubt that small-market Canadian franchises are at a serious disadvantage in the NHL today. Even after Fox, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk (not to mention Pronger).

Try this exercise: go to capfriendly and try to work out real-world trades for, say, Hanifin or Lindholm. Besides the questions of value, needs, and the maddening difficulty of cap management, look at how many potential trade targets have NTCs, and consider that Calgary is on almost all of those lists. Trades - already difficult in today’s NHL - become harder still.

Pundits, analysts, and even team management themselves acknowledge how Canadian franchises are penalized. But fans seem reluctant. I suppose it’s tempting to blame all of your team’s shortfalls on a coach or GM that can be replaced, rather than acknowledging systemic unfairness or meddling ownership - handicaps that can’t be readily fixed.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by blankall

Given Tkachuk's trade list, it seemed like he had very particular places with very specific local politics in mind. He either wanted to go to his hometown, the most recent cup winner, or more libertarian states. None of those places are Canada.

Anyways, this is all speculation. As others have stated, we have no idea what actually happened or what Tkachuk was actually thinking.

I doubt politics has anything to do with it. His list was good teams in cities with good weather. Winning and warmth. In an article in the Athletic, Tkachuk remarked on how glorious it is sitting on his deck at 2 am wearing shorts, mid-season.

[Manhattanboy]

Would one solution be a CBA tweak (ok more than a tweak) that would allow teams to apply a franchise tag to one player they drafted (eg. Chucky) that would allow the team to exceed the cap for that player's contract only?

[DeluxeMoustache]

I have to say, I get a kick out of the Legendary Matthew Tkachuk thread title

The fact that it was driven by a guy taking too seriously what looks like a tongue in cheek naming of the ‘Legend of Sam Bennett’ thread

Comes across as thirsty

Reinforces the Legend status of Sam Bennett