[Rumour] DeBrusk has asked for a trade. Kypreos: Flames are among teams interested

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Would you guys do

Pitlick + 3rd + Boltmann for DeBrusk

And then

Monahan + DeBrusk + Valimaki or 1st for Toffoli + Lehkonen or Kulak depending on Valimaki/1st (Kulak if it’s Valimaki, Lehkonen if it’s a 1st) + 3rd

No. Six pieces out for two in is terrible asset management. Neither Toffoli or Lehkonen move the needle close to enough to justify that spend.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Would you guys do

Pitlick + 3rd + Boltmann for DeBrusk

And then

Monahan + DeBrusk + Valimaki or 1st for Toffoli + Lehkonen or Kulak depending on Valimaki/1st (Kulak if it’s Valimaki, Lehkonen if it’s a 1st) + 3rd

I must have missed it but when Toffoli become a generational star?

First off, Boston hangs up phone if that's what we're offering for Debrusk.

Secondly, if Boston was crazy enough to accept, you're basically offering three former 1st rounders for Toffoli and a spare part?

Yikes.

[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Would you guys do

Pitlick + 3rd + Boltmann for DeBrusk

And then

Monahan + DeBrusk + Valimaki or 1st for Toffoli + Lehkonen or Kulak depending on Valimaki/1st (Kulak if it’s Valimaki, Lehkonen if it’s a 1st) + 3rd

Pitlick and 3rd for Kane@$1.5mil and a 2nd

send the 2nd to montreal for Taffoli.

Kane-Dube-Taffoli.

Jettison Monohan to make money work. I don't know, I'm not the manager but Tree can make it work. somehow.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Toffoli
Kane - Dube - Coleman
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis


Move Kane up and down the lineup as needed.

Don't want or need debrusk. Too much Oiler stink

[Monahammer]

You guys are hilarious.

Keep Monahan and acquire Toffoli. No need to add Kane into that mix. Dube-Monahan-Toffoli has lots of potential.
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[klikitiklik]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You guys are hilarious.

Keep Monahan and acquire Toffoli. No need to add Kane into that mix. Dube-Monahan-Toffoli has lots of potential.

Any of these moves would be okay with me. No Debrusk though. Don't see a fit here

[FanIn80]

I haven't scrolled up far enough to find out, but the only Kane we better be talking about is Patrick.

I mean they're both questionable people, but at least Patty can play hockey.

Edit: Actually, his offensive stats are pretty good the last few years. Why do I keep thinking he sucks? I remember Buffalo didn't want him and then Winnipeg got rid of him. There's always a story about this guy doing something. It's just been in my head that he's essentially a basket case playing out the remainder of his contract in SJ... But apparently he's a basket case who put up 30 in 75, 26 in 64 and 22 in 56 over the last three seasons. I haven't put anything into a calculator, but those look like 3 30-goal seasons to me.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

No. Six pieces out for two in is terrible asset management. Neither Toffoli or Lehkonen move the needle close to enough to justify that spend.

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I must have missed it but when Toffoli become a generational star?

First off, Boston hangs up phone if that's what we're offering for Debrusk.

Secondly, if Boston was crazy enough to accept, you're basically offering three former 1st rounders for Toffoli and a spare part?

Yikes.

Cap flexibility to allow for the big 4 contracts that are needed is my biggest angle on that whole proposal which continues to be ignored. Past that Monahan has an all time low value atm and Valimaki isn’t too far off either, there are some here who would say they wouldn’t be able to net Toffoli with the package that I proposed.

Kulak for sure is a throw in for the rest of the year but replaces Valimaki as the 7th D and keeps Sutter with options. Lehkonen is hardly a throw in and is a cost controlled middle six RFA which is why I choose him if a 1st rounder was included versus Valimaki.

Toffoli is cost controlled, has former success with the current head coach, is a position of need and would balance the middle 6… I fail to see how that’s a yikes.

Monahan + DeBrusk + Valimaki would be 11 mill + going out with 6.1 coming back in Toffoli and Kulak and that dropping to 4.25 going into the off-season which adds considerable cap for the contracts that need to be handed out to Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Mangiapane and Kylington. If it’s the 1st for Lehkonen then it’s 6.55 mill in with Lehkonen getting added to the RFA group. This team really needs to think about keeping the main components of what’s keeping them so successful (Gaudreau+Tkachuk/top-line, Mangiapane and his 15 goals on the 2nd line, emergence of Kylington as he continues to take strides to solidify into a top 4) and it’s going to be expensive so ridding themselves of cap in favour of near future flexibility is a no brainer to me. We can add a playoff performer who’s a right hand shot and knows the coach?!?!? Double no brainer.

Personally I doubt Monahan + DeBrusk + Valimaki for Toffoli + Kulak + 3rd would entice Montreal to pull the trigger. They are 3 former 1sts who are all struggling and at all-time lows for trade value versus draft pedigree.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I must have missed it but when Toffoli become a generational star?

First off, Boston hangs up phone if that's what we're offering for Debrusk.

Secondly, if Boston was crazy enough to accept, you're basically offering three former 1st rounders for Toffoli and a spare part?

Yikes.

Just because a player was once a first round pick, does not mean they still hold that value.

But these trade proposals are insane on so many levels.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

....Kane@$1.5mil....

How is that even possible?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How is that even possible?

SJ eats half. Second team eats another half.

It's being rumoured to have a possibility of happening.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How is that even possible?

Originally Posted by djsFlames

SJ eats half. Second team eats another half.

It's being rumoured to have a possibility of happening.

This happened with Foligno last year. And it was still a bad trade.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Pitlick and 3rd for Kane@$1.5mil and a 2nd

send the 2nd to montreal for Taffoli.

Kane-Dube-Taffoli.

Jettison Monohan to make money work. I don't know, I'm not the manager but Tree can make it work. somehow.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Toffoli
Kane - Dube - Coleman
Lucic - Richardson - Lewis


Move Kane up and down the lineup as needed.

Don't want or need debrusk. Too much Oiler stink

Hilarious you don't want debrusk for a perceived oiler stink because of his dad, but you'd embrace a pos like Kane being on your team.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Hot take.

Is it though?

Both have an forced LWer who plays much better at C, who is probably the best player on the line nonetheless

Both have a big C who doesn't play with pace and isn't producing 5v5 despite past production, but is curiously producing on special teams (Janko - PK1, Mony - PP1)

Both have a left shooting goalscorer RW that has been a healthy scratch due to a lack of 200 foot impact.

The former line showed zero chemistry.

What convinces you the latter line has all the makings of a good line?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This happened with Foligno last year. And it was still a bad trade.

And that was a deadline deal where San Jose only picked up that portion of the contract for a month. It would have cost about $250,000 in actual dollars from San Jose and they got a 4th rounder in return.


Retaining 25% of Kane's contract would cost the team 25% of $19 million for the next three seasons plus 25% of whatever is left on his contract this season when the trade is made. If the trade were made with half the season left, it would cost that middle-man team $5.625 million in real dollars (minus escrow) over the next three and half seasons. They'd be looking for a lot more in return than just a mid-round draft pick.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This happened with Foligno last year. And it was still a bad trade.

I didn’t ‘t know you could get a cap hit of $7M down to $1.5M.

The lowest I can come up with is $1.75M.


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[Cecil Terwilliger]

I can get it to zero if we don’t trade for him at all.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Scenario 1: Flames acquire Debrusk, acquisition cost ends up being a 2nd round pick.
Scenario 2: Flames acquire Kane, acquisition cost ends up being a 1st and a 2nd (and Kane's salary comes in at $1.75M AAV for this season and the next 3)

Which would you do?

Neither.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I didn’t ‘t know you could get a cap hit of $7M down to $1.5M.

The lowest I can come up with is $1.75M.

Yeah, it would be $1.75 million if San Jose retained the max and the middleman also retained the max.

San Jose would have a $3.5M cap hit and the other two teams would have $1.75M cap hits.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I didn’t ‘t know you could get a cap hit of $7M down to $1.5M.

The lowest I can come up with is $1.75M.


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I wasn’t doing the addition, just commenting on the double retention.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I wasn’t doing the addition, just commenting on the double retention.

I asked how was $1.5M possible. You said it was done before without showing the math. It wasn’t very helpful, and actually incorrect.


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