Will the NHL boycott games? Should it?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For people wondering, I don't think it is healthy to remove posts like this or give the people an infraction. Views such as this are part of the reason why we have issues in our society. So I think it is important that we allow them to be stated so we can see the reality of where we are at, in all its ugliness. Deleting it only masks those issues by pretending they don't exist including within the community on CP.

Just a hunch but I doubt this poster is communicating a genuine view.

I’m in no way suggesting you delete it but suggesting it is less about someone wanting to engage in conversation vs. seeing what they can get away with saying and how upset they can make people. I believe there’s a term for it.

It’s cool to see that for the most part this poster is being ignored.

[Otto29]

Wow...sooooooo many of you need to understand what Allyship is. Seriously...

https://guidetoallyship.com/

[sekimet]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

FFS. All because some criminal had a failed death by cop attempt.

It might be time to go for a walk, engage in some meaningful conversations with loved ones, go to counselling etc. Whatever it takes for you to grow up. Your comments drip with ignorance and it's depressing to see people have so little empathy or compassion for other human beings. If one night of cancelled hockey makes you this upset, to the point where you have to spit vitriol in local online forums, you have bigger problems that need immediate attention. Good luck to you.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

FFS. All because some criminal had a failed death by cop attempt.

Paste eaters anonymous is meeting on HFoil. Wrong place bud!

[chummer]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1299072770140233728

[dino7c]

MLB played games in the US last night and today...why are people all over the NHL right now

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

MLB played games in the US last night and today...why are people all over the NHL right now

MLB is playing right now...

Edit: Missed the "and today"

[GGG]

I think that raising awareness through these actions is useless.

I think that striking for a short period of time to get specific actions taken makes sense. So if you want your owners to lobby elected officials to make change you could strike until they commit to it.

Or if you want the government to investigate the crime then striking until that occurs makes sense.

To strike to show solidarity or join the protest doesn’t make much sense to me. It gives up your platform. Creating disruption to Disney, and the 32 billionaire owners randomly to force them to act makes sense.

So the NHL as a league canceling games doesn’t make sense. That is a PR move to accomplish nothing. If the NHL wanted to accomplish something then their owners should lobby elected officials for real change. If the players want to strike to force the owners into action that is reasonable too.

[Huntingwhale]

Good move by the NHL. Don't really care if it's a day late or whatnot. Glad to see the players recognizing what this move means. Some things are more important then playing a game. This is one of those times.

I'm not upset at any sports' league that decides/doesn't decide to cancel games. I'm upset at a ####ty US government and it's systematic racism that has allowed for this to develop in the first place.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

For people wondering, I don't think it is healthy to remove posts like this or give the people an infraction. Views such as this are part of the reason why we have issues in our society. So I think it is important that we allow them to be stated so we can see the reality of where we are at, in all its ugliness. Deleting it only masks those issues by pretending they don't exist including within the community on CP.

Agreed. Even though we all come to this site to escape the outside world and have things in common to discuss, we need to remember that CP isn't free from people who think those things.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Another quick comment, directed to Azure.

Certainly, the issues in Belarus and China (not only treatment of Uyghers, but also aggressive expansionism against central asian neighbors, treatment of Hong Kong and Taiwan, Naval Expansion, and the awful economic extortion through the Belt + Road Initiative) deserve global attention. However, bringing those issues up in context of the ongoing struggle of people of color in the USA is essentially the same as shouting "all lives matter." Yes, those issues are important, but this issue is at hand and personal for many of the BLACK NBA players, playing in the same country where these issues are occurring. Not absolving them of their ties to Nike/ these other problems, but this is completely separate.

It's the same as the people who are now clamouring that the individual shot in Wisconsin had a criminal record: so ####ing what? Cops still aren't supposed to execute "criminals" in the street, we don't live in ####ing Judge Dredd Future. These are separate things that are being brought in to detract from the conversation and the purpose. Their struggle doesn't matter less because there are other global struggles occurring.

All I said is that when you go to China to endorse billion dollar deals and you get challenged about it, don't whine its not fair that the players should be asked to speak out on genocide or human rights abuses because its a tough political issue. Lebron, as a major face of the NBA, wholeheartedly endorses with the NBA is doing in China, and fought back when he was challenged. It makes him a massive hypocrite. Or is genocide not important anymore because it is happening at the other side of the world?

At the end of the day, right is right, and wrong is wrong, and Lebron like many other sports stars, is perfectly fine with his billion dollar empire being built off the backs of massive human rights abuses.

So please, spare me the 'oh these are separate issues' BS. I'm not saying random person who has nothing to do with China, nor has a pedestal to speak out is expected to do something. We all agree that major sports figures have that voice, and Lebron is choosing to rake in the billions off the backs of thousands of people being killed.

Seriously, think about that for a second. Genocide. That is what we've become okay with, because 'they are separate issues.'

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Azure

Seriously, think about that for a second. Genocide. That is what we've become okay with, because 'they are separate issues.'

Did you think about this for longer than a second? Who is “we”?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Azure

At the end of the day, right is right, and wrong is wrong, :

You just circled yourself into a corner here- do you not believe what is going on in the US is wrong?

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by dino7c

MLB played games in the US last night and today...why are people all over the NHL right now

Because of their track record when it comes to tackling important issues like this. They are always last to the party.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Azure

Seriously, think about that for a second. Genocide. That is what we've become okay with, because 'they are separate issues.'

Trust me when I say that I think of the genocide in Xinjinag province every day. Among the other many egregious actions that China is undertaking globally.
But I have the mental capacity to know that the Chinese problem is very bad AND that the ongoing treatment of people of color by police in the United States is a huge problem, and that these two problems are not at all related except that very few actors in the problems may have separate ties to other problems in completely different ways.

Edit: I can't tell you how profoundly you've upset me by creating a straw man argument that I (or others) accept genocide in asia because we want social change in the USA. Just completely ####in psychotic of you tbh. I have family in Hong Kong I worry about every day.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Azure

All I said is that when you go to China to endorse billion dollar deals and you get challenged about it, don't whine its not fair that the players should be asked to speak out on genocide or human rights abuses because its a tough political issue. Lebron, as a major face of the NBA, wholeheartedly endorses with the NBA is doing in China, and fought back when he was challenged. It makes him a massive hypocrite. Or is genocide not important anymore because it is happening at the other side of the world?

At the end of the day, right is right, and wrong is wrong, and Lebron like many other sports stars, is perfectly fine with his billion dollar empire being built off the backs of massive human rights abuses.

So please, spare me the 'oh these are separate issues' BS. I'm not saying random person who has nothing to do with China, nor has a pedestal to speak out is expected to do something. We all agree that major sports figures have that voice, and Lebron is choosing to rake in the billions off the backs of thousands of people being killed.

Seriously, think about that for a second. Genocide. That is what we've become okay with, because 'they are separate issues.'

I'm not disagreeing.

But when the Paris shootings happened, were you moved more than when random bombings happened in Afghanistan and Iraq? There is no shame in admitting that, because it's human nature to identify with your "tribe". As white people, we identified with the white victims of the Paris shooting more so than the victims of suicide bombers in the ME, as crass as that sounds.

LeBron is human. He is seeing what is happening to blacks in his community and it moved him to such a point that he organized a boycott of a multibillion dollar enterprise. He should not be called a hypocrite, but rather a champion of this noble cause. Not everyone can champion every cause.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Another reason to be proud of the boys

https://twitter.com/user/status/1299057740166422529

If this is true, and they were a driving force behind this, I am more proud of this team and their character for this than anything they have done and could do in these play-offs.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Were the victims of the Paris shooting even white? I honestly have no idea about the ethnic makeup of the people involved. The reason the Paris shooting garnered more attention wasn't because of the race of the victims, it's that Paris is a big city in a western country. That doesn't happen very often. If it can happen there, it can happen in London, or Rome, or Sydney, or Miami, or Los Angeles, or Toronto.

[MRCboicgy]

Call it tribalism if you will, which is perfectly fine, but it relates more to your personal experience. I'll freely admit that the Pulse nightclub shooting affected me much more than the El Paso Walmart shooting. Both were terrible, but I could relate to one in a much different way.


After it happened, even though we're 5000 miles away in a different country, I still appreciated the straight people in my life asking me if I ever was a victim of violence because I was at/coming out of a gay club. Me sharing a quick soundbite of something personal that paled in comparison to what happened in Florida still helped them understand.



Have a conversation these next two nights. Do something that isn't comfortable that helps you understand someone else, even passively, like watching Emmanuel Acho's youtube channel.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

If this is true, and they were a driving force behind this, I am more proud of this team and their character for this than anything they have done and could do in these play-offs.

They just want tonight off to watch Trump's convention.